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Re: Why Karachi Floods

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Post by wow_yes »

eklavya wrote: post #8
kamaal wrote: post #2

As an Indian watching these events, it refreshes my memories of flooding in Indian cities(Chennai, Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore etc). Which are almost of the same scale if not more or less. I wonder if the entirety of the Indian subcontinent suffers from the same long standing issues of governance, disdain for law, corruption and in general total apathy towards one's surroundings. As a native Bangalorean. I've seen the c…

Oh man don't get me started on Bengaluru. My tier 2 hometown sees more infrastructure activities than this silicon valley of India. People are just apathetic docile don't cares here. How come with an enormous budget and a rich state it's sooo bad? Doesn't matter who is in power here, same story all around.

Sounds like Silicon Valley in America, especially with transit and housing.

Re: Why Karachi Floods

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Post by throwaway_dcnt »

tegeek wrote: post #21
hardly_a_mirage wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MQM and the Mayor is still waiting to receive a mandate from the provincial government. All power lies with the PPP in Karachi.

MQM and coalition was brought in power in 1983. Since then PPP has no mandate, they have no power to run the city. There are no funds available to any PPP representative in Karachi. All development or non-development projects run by the City administration. It is always the winning parties who decide about city development. How come a party which doesn't have any significant representation in city administration for…

You will find that facts don't agree with your statements. https://www.dawn.com/news/1464791

Re: Why Karachi Floods

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Post by Ahmd72 »

tegeek wrote: post #12
hardly_a_mirage wrote: post #11

It's clear to everyone in Karachi that it has been neglected by the provincial government lead by the People's Party of Pakistan (PPP). PPP is the most corrupt entity in the country. At least other governments do 'some' development while filling their coffers. PPP undoes even the development of previous governments to fill their coffers. Karachi's institutions have been filled with political appointees with little or…

Since early 1980s, Karachi city is not under PPP govt. So it really doesn't matter how corrupt Pakistan Peoples Party is, Karachi has not been voting for them for nearly 40 years now. It is always MQM with some coalition who runs Karachi. Right now PPP has only 3 NA seats from Karachi.

I would say its both, not only Karachi was flooded but the whole Sindh and PPP has been in Sindh for the last 12-13 years. The Sindh provincial ministers during the early monsoon spell were even on the roads saying everything is okay and didn't even cleared out the nullahs for which NDMA had to be brought in. As long as there is no accountability in Pakistan I can easily say this country will never prosper. PPP keeps on playing politics and the victim card while making their ministers become billionaires, look at Zardari he spent the major part of his life and when released from prison becomes a billionaire instantly. Then there is his son Bilawal, its a line of vultures in Pakistan, just one after the another

Re: Why Karachi Floods

#34

Post by srean »

eklavya wrote: post #8
kamaal wrote: post #2

As an Indian watching these events, it refreshes my memories of flooding in Indian cities(Chennai, Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore etc). Which are almost of the same scale if not more or less. I wonder if the entirety of the Indian subcontinent suffers from the same long standing issues of governance, disdain for law, corruption and in general total apathy towards one's surroundings. As a native Bangalorean. I've seen the c…

Oh man don't get me started on Bengaluru. My tier 2 hometown sees more infrastructure activities than this silicon valley of India. People are just apathetic docile don't cares here. How come with an enormous budget and a rich state it's sooo bad? Doesn't matter who is in power here, same story all around.

From what I understand the GDP of Bangalore enriches the federal body more than the state. The state gets money from center based on the population of state as a whole. So the state politicians do not have much skin in the game to try to keep Bangalore sustainable.

Would be happy to be corrected.

Re: Why Karachi Floods

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Post by mangamadaiyan »

srean wrote: post #34
eklavya wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh man don't get me started on Bengaluru. My tier 2 hometown sees more infrastructure activities than this silicon valley of India. People are just apathetic docile don't cares here. How come with an enormous budget and a rich state it's sooo bad? Doesn't matter who is in power here, same story all around.

From what I understand the GDP of Bangalore enriches the federal body more than the state. The state gets money from center based on the population of state as a whole. So the state politicians do not have much skin in the game to try to keep Bangalore sustainable. Would be happy to be corrected.

I'd say the situation is even more twisted. This policy effectively motivates the state politicians to keep things unsustainable in order for them to make money (indirectly) off scarce resources in the city.

Re: Why Karachi Floods

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Post by mangamadaiyan »

wow_yes wrote: post #31
eklavya wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh man don't get me started on Bengaluru. My tier 2 hometown sees more infrastructure activities than this silicon valley of India. People are just apathetic docile don't cares here. How come with an enormous budget and a rich state it's sooo bad? Doesn't matter who is in power here, same story all around.

Sounds like Silicon Valley in America, especially with transit and housing.

Oh, you just can't compare Marathahalli or Silk Board with the 101, 680, 280 or 880. None of the latter even come close. They're both horrible in their own way, but I'd say Bangalore is worse. You don't often find ambulances stranded in traffic in SV, for instance. This is (was, until the pandemic?) a daily occurrence out here.

Re: Why Karachi Floods

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Post by mangamadaiyan »

eklavya wrote: post #8
kamaal wrote: post #2

As an Indian watching these events, it refreshes my memories of flooding in Indian cities(Chennai, Mumbai, Delhi, Bangalore etc). Which are almost of the same scale if not more or less. I wonder if the entirety of the Indian subcontinent suffers from the same long standing issues of governance, disdain for law, corruption and in general total apathy towards one's surroundings. As a native Bangalorean. I've seen the c…

Oh man don't get me started on Bengaluru. My tier 2 hometown sees more infrastructure activities than this silicon valley of India. People are just apathetic docile don't cares here. How come with an enormous budget and a rich state it's sooo bad? Doesn't matter who is in power here, same story all around.

I'm curious. What people exactly are "apathetic docile don't cares here", and why?

Re: Why Karachi Floods

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Post by game_the0ry »

Remember - PK also has nuclear weapons, and they are not very careful with them.[0]

As a Pakistani myself, I can't be more disappointed with my country of origin.

For the Pakistanis here - it's worth criticizing our home nation and elders, otherwise it won't get any better. And I want it to get better.

[0] https://www.wired.com/2011/11/pakistan-nukes-delivery-vans/

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