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The Long-Term Stock Exchange Opens for Business

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Re: The Long-Term Stock Exchange Opens for Business

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Suppose LTSE becomes a thing, and they find some companies that they can certify as Long-Term(TM). What stops those shares from being traded on some other exchange, eg BATS?

What is it about the venue that makes it special? It seems that once an investor thinks a company has some desired characteristic, all they'd care about is where to get the shares as cheaply as possible.

Re: The Long-Term Stock Exchange Opens for Business

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Me too. According to the wiki page: > Operating principles: In an earlier SEC filing, LTSE said that its corporate governance rules might include: increased voting rights for shareholders who hold company stock for long periods of time, restrictions on offering short-term incentives to executives, disclosure of impact of any stock buybacks, and requiring companies to have a board-level long-term product and strategy…

So you make a fund which holds the stock of the listed company long-term, and trade the fund as normal... this doesn't seem robust yet.

This would add a level of indirection to stockholders trying to influence the company though, right? You have to make the fund managers put pressure on the company to give you short term gains, rather than pressuring the company directly.

Re: The Long-Term Stock Exchange Opens for Business

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One of the problems with the regular stock market is that valuations are not tied to the future cashflow of the company. This isn’t how the LTSE works but it would be awesome if there was an exchange that required every company to pay a fixed percentage of their cash flows every year after X years. Combined this with a minimum holding period, and I dare people to bid $300+ for Tesla stock :)

I don’t get it. There are already plenty of public companies that pay extremely predictable dividends. This is a popular investment type for retirement portfolios, among others. Why should they be on a separate exchange?

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Re: The Long-Term Stock Exchange Opens for Business

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"They described the immense pressure on companies to pursue short-term results over creating value for future decades and generations." Where does this pressure come from? The board? Can't you appoint a board that is long-term friendly? Institutional investors? Wouldn't the same investors interested in the LTSE also be interested in you on the traditional market if long-term is part of your DNA? Shareholders? Shareho…

I'll give a shareholder's perspective. Management, when left unchecked, frequently engages in in wasteful empire building and prestige projects. The most apparent manifestation of this is in mergers and acquisitions. Decades of evidence shows that the median merger destroys shareholder value for the acquiring company. Imposing strong controls on corporate management is one of the most important thing that shareholder…

Bezos was an investment banker.

Before he had the track record of long term development (only born from long term efforts) he knew how to speak Wall Street and had a track record on Wall Street.

Most CEO’s will never be capitalized like him for long term empire building so it’s hard to say there couldn’t be more Amazon sized successes out there if Capital was more accessible for longer term visions.

Re: The Long-Term Stock Exchange Opens for Business

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post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the problems with the regular stock market is that valuations are not tied to the future cashflow of the company. This isn’t how the LTSE works but it would be awesome if there was an exchange that required every company to pay a fixed percentage of their cash flows every year after X years. Combined this with a minimum holding period, and I dare people to bid $300+ for Tesla stock :)

I don’t get it. There are already plenty of public companies that pay extremely predictable dividends. This is a popular investment type for retirement portfolios, among others. Why should they be on a separate exchange?

The dividend is not based on their cashflow. So if Apple is paying 1% dividend on a $100 stock price, but their cashflows increase every year, they're still paying you $1 every year.

What I'm suggesting is an exchange where the dividend is a fixed % of their cashflows. Let's say it's 1%. If their cashflow is 1 billion, then 1% of it goes to their shareholders. If it doubles the next year, then 1% of that 2 billion goes to the shareholders.

Combine this with a minimum holding period (ie 1 year), and you've basically now made the stock price equate to its fundamentals. ie how much cashflow it's generating in the future. If investors think it'll go up, they'll bid the price up. not because they want to sell it to a greater fool.

Re: The Long-Term Stock Exchange Opens for Business

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'll give a shareholder's perspective. Management, when left unchecked, frequently engages in in wasteful empire building and prestige projects. The most apparent manifestation of this is in mergers and acquisitions. Decades of evidence shows that the median merger destroys shareholder value for the acquiring company. Imposing strong controls on corporate management is one of the most important thing that shareholder…

Bezos was an investment banker. Before he had the track record of long term development (only born from long term efforts) he knew how to speak Wall Street and had a track record on Wall Street. Most CEO’s will never be capitalized like him for long term empire building so it’s hard to say there couldn’t be more Amazon sized successes out there if Capital was more accessible for longer term visions.

This seems sensible. If you want the goodwill from your investors to make a long term bet like Amazon did, you need to explain it to them in terms they can understand. It's a language anyone can learn with sufficient training and experience.

Re: The Long-Term Stock Exchange Opens for Business

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Congrats to Eric on this. The thing missing from this article is: What does this actually mean? When will companies start listing? Who will start listing? How do companies list? What are you offering? etc.

why congratulate him if you don’t even know what it means? maybe it’s actually a terrible idea.

Re: The Long-Term Stock Exchange Opens for Business

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post #16

Congrats to Eric on this. The thing missing from this article is: What does this actually mean? When will companies start listing? Who will start listing? How do companies list? What are you offering? etc.

Yes, interesting article. Though, if this were a software announcement I'd label it vaporware.
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