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Professor suspended for saying 那个 nà ge

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Re: Professor suspended for saying 那个 nà ge

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Post by pixel_fcker »

jjeaff wrote: post #515
pixel_fcker wrote: post #392

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From Wikipedia: > Microaggression is a term used for brief and commonplace daily verbal or behavioural indignities, whether intentional or unintentional It’s the unintentional part that I take issue with, which means that it’s not on you to understand the context of my statement, it’s on me to imagine the infinite variety of ways you might interpret my statement and vet them for possible insensitivity before making i…

If you don't understand micro-agressions, then you don't understand bullying. Because that's all micro-agressions are. Unintentional bullying. Intentionality is not relevant with micro-agressions. Parse the nomenclature all you like, but people unintentionally cause harm all the time. The issue is when as a society, those things are so commonplace that they repeat over and over in a constant loop. For example, if som…

That’s worth thinking about, thank you.

Re: Professor suspended for saying 那个 nà ge

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Post by mola »

pnw_hazor wrote: post #263
mola wrote: post #112

People like to blame progressive ideology for these sort of crazy stuff. But actually, the real culprit is consumerism and customer mentality of students. The professor was suspended because the faculty is terrified from upset customers. Same goes for all cancel culture incidents. The hyper producticised media , is using the upset sentiment to get attention (racial clickbait triggers) But it's riding the tiger, so it…

Can't let post-modernism and critical race theory off the hook. Objectively, the statement was not racist and it should not be offensive to anyone. However, objective thought is not in favor anymore as it is associated with whiteness. We must accept the subjective view of the victims as paramount.

If you think that is the reason the dean suspended him, you are being naive. He suspended him because he's afraid of financial repracussions.

The post modernism went off the rails because of the reasons I mentioned. Otherwise it could have been a fertile ground for empathy and a way to reconcile our differences. instead it ended up a culture war. Because our culture is war. We are taught to fight and compete from day 1.

Re: Professor suspended for saying 那个 nà ge

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Post by Yetanfou »

banmeagaindan2 wrote: post #520
jjeaff wrote: post #511

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I'm not really sure what your point is? That other marginalized groups exist? As a society, we unfortunately discriminate against people based on lots of different factors.

So there are three factors that explain people. Biology, Culture, Environment. Right explains the world by Biology. The Left explains the world by Culture. The Liberals explain the wold by Environment. It is possible that you only need to scoop from one box to find a policy - but... If a society has not solved a problem for a long time it's likely the solution is in higher dimensions. Our political order is good at s…

That is an odd definition of 'left', 'right' and 'liberal'. There are plenty of people on the 'right' side of the political spectrum who put far more emphasis on culture than they do on biology, I'd go so far as stating that this is the majority of those on the 'right' side. The same goes for the 'left' side, most people think in terms of culture instead of biology. It is only on the fringes of both sides of the chamber that you encounter people who put weight on biology, from 'white supremacists' and 'black supremacists' to followers of identity politics where people like Ibram X Kendi and Robin DiAngelo claim that 'white people' are by definition racist.

You need to define the term 'environment' to make clear what it is you mean here, it has far too many meanings to be useful. The essence is that the extremes on the 'left' and the 'right' bear close resemblance to each other, they use different symbology and make some different claims as to where they get their justifications from but if you remove those symbols and justifications their actions are more or less identical.

Re: Professor suspended for saying 那个 nà ge

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Post by dang »

bezmenov wrote: post #456
oh_sigh wrote: post #319

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Here's a fight(more like an assault on the elderly) that broke out between a black American on a South Korean bus because the elderly people, who probably don't speak a word of English or know English racial slurs, referred to him as "you" in their own language in their own country: https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/88xlz4/a_bl...

Black fragility.

Would you please stop creating accounts to post flamebait with? We're trying for something else here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Professor suspended for saying 那个 nà ge

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Post by [deleted] »

joshuamorton wrote: post #438
svrb wrote: post #436

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> given that you appear to identify as part of "the right". What leads you to believe this? Because I'm asking probing questions about the left? Is asking questions in order to learn a trait of someone on the right, and not the left? Big if true, and I'm surprised that you're promoting this viewpoint. > To suggest such a thing is closed minded. First of all, this doesn't follow from any evidence in the discussion so…

I've already said there is nothing inherent in an outgroup that makes someone morally bad. Repeating that assertion doesn't make it anymore true. Repeating it while accusing me of misinterpreting you is ironic. You seem to be redefining terms at random. You are now claiming that lgbt people are not an outgroup of the left , but you only recently added that qualifier. Changing your argument mid-conversation and then a…

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Re: Professor suspended for saying 那个 nà ge

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Post by vianneychevalie »

ploopop wrote: post #386
vianneychevalie wrote: post #340

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In my personal case it would be using the words « master » and « slave » when talking about interfacing databases

I'm surprised master/slave's the hill you want to die on - it's the one instance where the old terminology really is just bizarre jargon that's being replaced with words that are a direct, common-language description of what they do.

I really don't want to die on this hill! It's an example of a behavior I'd engage in if the wokepatrol wasn't there. I don't even speak English at work, I speak French, and we commonly use the words "maître" and "esclave" in that instance.

Whenever any work-environment friction will arise, I'll stop using those words for sure, I value my job more than I value terminology.

Re: Professor suspended for saying 那个 nà ge

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Post by runeks »

> It is simply unacceptable for faculty to use words in class that can marginalize, hurt and harm the psychological safety of our students.

Psychological safety? What does that mean?

I hate these vague, marketing-like terms. Just say what you mean: you find it unacceptable to say something that causes a negative emotion. The problem is that saying it like this makes it sound less problematic — because it is. Whereas using the word “safety” implies a physical danger as opposed to just negative emotion.

Re: Professor suspended for saying 那个 nà ge

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Post by banmeagaindan2 »

Yetanfou wrote: post #523
banmeagaindan2 wrote: post #520

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So there are three factors that explain people. Biology, Culture, Environment. Right explains the world by Biology. The Left explains the world by Culture. The Liberals explain the wold by Environment. It is possible that you only need to scoop from one box to find a policy - but... If a society has not solved a problem for a long time it's likely the solution is in higher dimensions. Our political order is good at s…

That is an odd definition of 'left', 'right' and 'liberal'. There are plenty of people on the 'right' side of the political spectrum who put far more emphasis on culture than they do on biology, I'd go so far as stating that this is the majority of those on the 'right' side. The same goes for the 'left' side, most people think in terms of culture instead of biology. It is only on the fringes of both sides of the cham…

Error report. I should have switched Environment to the Left, Culture to the Liberal faction.

For the definition of Environment - it is used loosely but it is the physical facts of a location - climate, soil quality, material resources including non-human biological animals - wildlife and livestock.

Culture is a looser definition - it can mean food preparation techniques, language but also tools like combs and wheels and abstract tools in people's brains.

Re: Professor suspended for saying 那个 nà ge

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Post by mariuolo »

gruez wrote: post #275
mariuolo wrote: post #217

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> Why is this happening? One word: lawsuits. And the unpredictability of juries.

>lawsuits on what grounds? >And the unpredictability of juries. AFAIK if you're the defendant you can opt for trial by judge rather than trial by jury.

> on what grounds?

Discriminations, of various genres.

> AFAIK if you're the defendant you can opt for trial by judge rather than trial by jury.

And in a civil trial you're going to need the other party to agree.

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