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Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages
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Re: Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages
#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
It doesn't really matter what Epic is doing. Loot boxes, game engines, and game mechanics aren't the issue here. The issue is that I, a user of an iPhone, should be able to install whatever software I want. You know what? I played Fortnite and I hated it. I won't be installing Fortnite or buying any skins for it. But, Epic has the right to offer their product to me without interference. Apple already has $1000 of my…
> The issue is that I, a user of an iPhone, should be able to install whatever software I want. And, likewise, Apple, as the platform owner, should be able to deny access whatever software they want. You can of course, jailbreak your iphone, or install PWA's that work.
Wait till your microwave oven doesn't want to cook the food you want and paid for.
Re: Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages
#203I really wish there was a third party - the customer - actually represented in this trial. Apple and Epic arguing over what is best for the customer, while clearly they are having their own interests in mind, screams for the actual customers to be represented.
The whole argument about them promoting an app „for free“ is a bit ridiculous. They clearly knew the amount of commission they were going to earn from pushing that app through their App Store - so please admit that you clearly didn‘t do this out of the good of your hearts.
The same goes for the portrayal of „look how much money they made through us“ - yes - and look at how much money they made you along the way. I mean if Epic made 600 million, than you made about 260 million - from the very same people that paid you for the hardware.
I think if the App Store is such a tremendous value, why don‘t you ask users to pay for access to that App Store directly. Let‘s see how valuable everybody thinks the App Store is when they actually have to pay an access fee directly to Apple.
Re: Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages
#204This is a very bad look on Apple. Regardless of the enforceability of their agreements, the sense of entitlement that underlies Apple’s position is shocking. The claim that Epic has “lined [its] pockets at Apple’s expense” implies that Apple deserves to sit in the middle of every transaction that happens on their devices and take a margin. This is the world’s most valuable company we’re talking about here; assertions…
Isn't a better analogy that car dealerships deserve revenue for selling Toyota's cars? Running an app store and providing a safe platform for users isn't free right?
Running the only app store and banning all others is less than free, it makes them piles of money in many ways.
Re: Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages
#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
The sad part to me as an iOS developer is that Apple is essentially calling iOS a "service." I'm a huge Apple fan, but they have been digging themselves a grave in terms of developer goodwill with their reaction to these lawsuits.
Yes, it is setting a dangerous precedent. A general purpose computing device is now a "service" that you need to pay for. With that logic you can call anything a service. An OS is a service that lets you stream "unlimited" video to your display. Given the level of greed displayed by Apple, they're going to setup a tollbooth at every single spot they can. Maybe Intel can setup the ultimate tollbooth on their CPU by pr…
Yes, OSes are a service. Do you expect the consumer to patch security bugs in the OS as they are discovered? Doesn't a steady, predictable, stream of regular "OS Updates" entrench the fact that OSes are indeed services?
Honestly, tech was depressing in those days when NHS was running on Windows XP. Oh wait; yes, you're right. "These" days are still around today :(
https://www.tripwire.com/state-of-security/healthcare/nhs-co...
Re: Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages
#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
How would an Epic iOS app store make consumers not buy an iPhone?
Let’s say Amazon joined in and started selling Kindle and Audible books without using Apple’s 30% digital cut. Apple would have to pull the Amazon app, possibly the Kindle app. Actually, they’d have to do that if Amazon simply said, Apple won’t let this be sold here on reasonable terms, buy from the website. Amazon would lose some, but Apple would also be crippling iOS. Then Spotify joins in, and Tinder, and Duolingo…
So what you're saying is that Apple wants to set up an example to maintain the status quo?
Re: Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages
#207I really wish there was a third party - the customer - actually represented in this trial. Apple and Epic arguing over what is best for the customer, while clearly they are having their own interests in mind, screams for the actual customers to be represented. The whole argument about them promoting an app „for free“ is a bit ridiculous. They clearly knew the amount of commission they were going to earn from pushing…
> Let‘s see how valuable everybody thinks the App Store is when they actually have to pay an access fee directly to Apple
They do, it’s called buying an iphone
Re: Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages
#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
They seem not quite the same to me. A game built with Unreal Engine is essentially powered by it and would not exist otherwise. A game deployed to an iPhone could theoretically be acquired through an alternative app store or just direct download. Apple's app store provides no utility to developers other than being the forced walled monopoly that all developers must list through. The proper analogy to Epic charging fo…
The equivalent is the iPhone SDK and developer tools for it. Not the store.
Thats already a separate charge...
Re: Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages
#209Apple writes in their court filing: “Epic sought to enjoy all of the benefits of Apple’s iOS platform and related services while its ‘hotfix’ lined Epic’s pockets at Apple’s expense.” It seems that Apple has forgotten that each iPhone user already paid Apple hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars for the iPhone itself. It is reasonable to charge developers for development tools, but if that's what you want to do, jus…
> just charge them for development tools Thing is, Apple still charges $100 USD per year for a developer license which lets you distribute your app, so this is already happening! :)
Yep.
From the court documents, Apple said there are 27M AppStore registered devs. Even if only half of those pay $100 per year that's still about $1.3B per year.
Re: Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages
#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The issue is that I, a user of an iPhone, should be able to install whatever software I want. And, likewise, Apple, as the platform owner, should be able to deny access whatever software they want. You can of course, jailbreak your iphone, or install PWA's that work.
I am just waiting untill car companies as "platform owners" start preventing you from driving to areas they don't like, or exceeding speed limit. Afterall, you just paid for the car, they still own the software that controls the engine.
> I am just waiting untill car companies as "platform owners" start preventing you from driving to areas they don't like, or exceeding speed limit.
Maybe just don’t buy that car then?