Honestly how prevalent is this hate? I haven't really seen it. To me this comes off as another clickbaity "let's bash on techbros" article.
I would have said the same until I read this thread
Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees during Covid-19
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Re: Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees during Covid-19
#632Before the pandemic, this resentment already existed. It's just exacerbated now. There have always been hidden benefits for people with kids. And although those benefits don't nearly make up for the extra responsibilities of having kids, those without kids feel that it's unfair. For example, someone with kids gets a bigger insurance benefit. Usually managers are pretty forgiving when someone says they need to leave t…
Not to mention the quarter-year parental leave over and over again for serial producers.
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I’ve always thought that people should need to get a license to have a baby. You need a license to pull fish out of a river or to plant bamboo in your own yard, but any moron is allowed to make new people. How does that make any sense? With a baby license, hopefully we would actually only make new sane, healthy people - currently that’s not happening because the world is chock full of unhealthy idiots that I don’t wa…
Because it is a violation of very basic Human Rights? Not to mention the can of worms that will open. Who gets to decide who's worthy of procreation? Based on political, social, economic values? This is like codifying systemic discrimination into fundamental human rights.
One of my friends was homeless as a child. He is now deaf because of an ear infection that was left untreated. Bringing children into a world when food and safety can't be provided is a violation of human rights as well.
Yes, Child Protective Services should have prevented this from happening to my friend. It didn't.
If parents can't prove they have the means to raise a child, CPS proactively taking custody away from the parent doesn't seem that unreasonable to me.
Re: Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees during Covid-19
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Then is it cool if I skip a few meetings to volunteer to help the homeless? We already heavily subsidise child-rearing through taxes and other benefits. As I said elsewhere, there are mechanisms for supporting parents already. If you tried to let any other charitable endeavour take over your work schedule, you wouldn't expect your compensation to remain unaffected. I'm not resentful at parents. It just seems complete…
> Then is it cool if I skip a few meetings to volunteer to help the homeless? That's the thing -- you won't actually go volunteer with the homeless. (Or at least, 99% of us wouldn't.) But parents actually have to change those diapers. If there's a little kid running around in the background of that Zoom call, someone is doing a lot of hard work to keep the kid alive. And unlike volunteering at the homeless shelter, t…
Maybe taking care of aging parents with dementia is a better example, although it's less voluntary than children are.
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> Parents are making sacrifices which benefit society as a whole. 100%. We need people to have kids (and for it to be financially possible to do so) because kids are literally the future generations of human society, and if no one is having kids then we'll see a very rapid collapse. This is, incidentally, why it pisses me off when people complain that their pets don't get the same kind of accommodations that children…
I also think it's stupid to resent parents; they need the time for the kids, who aren't at fault in any of this. That said, why do you assume we all care about having a future society? Frankly I only care about existing humans. The species is irrelevant to me.
Ok. Lets say I don't care about your property rights. When you're not home, I can just walk into your home and take whatever I want. Obviously, I can't, because the society we live in values property rights and help people uphold theirs. The fact that there exist selfish individuals that don't care about society as a whole (and it's future) is irrelevant. As a society, we decide what things are important to us and everyone gets to help support those, like it or not.
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Someone has to provide the goods and services you'll consume when you're old. Those people are today's kids, whose parents are doing you a big favor at considerable expense to themselves. Raising children isn't like smoking, a hobby, a side hustle, or other miscellaneous personal obligations. It's more like military service and jury duty -- an essential service that some people perform to ensure that society as we kn…
>an essential service that some people perform to ensure that society as we know it can continue to exist I empathize with parents, but please don't make it sound like it's a selfless act they are doing for the good of society. Also, childless couples/singles get taxed at quite a high rate (after any returns) vs parents. You compound that over 21 or whatever years it takes for kids to become "productive". Furthermore…
I assume that at age 66 you still want access to things like medical care, fire departments, etc. What value do you place on that?
Your taxes enable young people to exist/grow-up and extend those services to you. Providing for kids is selfish, not selfless. Until the singularity happens, we need young children to grow into functioning adults that continue and (hopefully) advance society.
Re: Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees during Covid-19
#637I am a middle-aged adult with no children who's worked at tech firms for the past couple decades. To be honest, the "resentment" of those without children have for "benefits" those with children get strikes me as extremely selfish, immature and displaying a total lack of empathy. This is time off specifically to take care of children, something now that has become exceedingly more difficult in Covid times. What's nex…
I do not agree. I specifically chose not to have children because I knew of the burdens they would place on my career. Those who decided to have children should not get treated any differently. They knew what they were signing up for, they do not get to have things both ways.
They also knew there would be a global pandemic that would require them to both educate their children full-time and work full-time.
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I don't fully agree with you. Back when I worked in retail or fast food, smokers could step out for a 5 minute smoke break every once in a while. As a non-smoker, I wasn't allowed to just sit there for 5 minutes. At the end of the day, we got paid the same, but smokers got 30 minutes off, courtesy of the non-smokers who picked up the slack. Likewise, parents are excused from work because they have children. I fully a…
Perspective from someone with a child (1.25 years old): When my wife and I chose to have a kid, there was absolutely no reason to think that we would have any difficulty finding a nanny/daycare or that we would have to try to work in the same environment that our son is playing in. When COVID-19 restrictions went into effect, we had basically no notice that we would be expected to work from home full time, that our b…
Exactly this, there was absolutely no way to predict Covid or a complete shutdown of child care / schools. I went from happily working from home in an office with no door and my 2 young kids in elementary school while my wife commuted to her work to my kids taking online classes which require massive parent interaction, and my wife working from home at the kitchen table right outside my office with no door. We cant take the kids anywhere due to covid and older parents so they are rightfully bored and frustrated.
Wife had a breakdown today from not being able to get any work done because she is constantly getting up to help the kids with school work or when school is done they automatically call out to her whenever they need anything. We are snapping at the kids for just normal kid things because we both have to work and are getting so little done. She has a massive amount of responsibility where she is the bottle neck for multiple departments as all work has to be legally approved by her.
I am in a new role and essentially on conf. calls all day while still having to get software built.
This sucks for everyone, but I can guarantee that as much as the childless people resent people with kids getting to slack on work time, we are paying for it in spades in other aspects of our lives.
Most of all I feel bad for my kids, this is not a situation they have any control over and all they know is that things are hard for them.
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Woodworking is a hobby. Raising kids is a full time job, no time off, no pay, no changing jobs.
I mean, having kids is a hobby too. Both woodworking and having kids are born from free-will and decisions (except in exceptional circumstances).
Historically, the exceptional circumstance is the free-will you speak of. It is a biological imperative, not a hobby.
Re: Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees during Covid-19
#640Managing remote school sessions plus my work was a mess. I made my 10 and 12yo kids drop their remote school stuff and work with me instead. The young one is responsible for slack, keeping everyone in the living room updated and replying with text and the occasional gif, he also summarizes with voice important incoming emails. Older one writes python code alongside me and I now mostly check her syntax. She learned gi…
I'm pretty sure child labor is against the law....