Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages

Apple writes in their court filing: “Epic sought to enjoy all of the benefits of Apple’s iOS platform and related services while its ‘hotfix’ lined Epic’s pockets at Apple’s expense.”

It seems that Apple has forgotten that each iPhone user already paid Apple hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars for the iPhone itself. It is reasonable to charge developers for development tools, but if that's what you want to do, just charge them for development tools. Meanwhile, I bought an iPhone so that I can run the software that I like. If it costs money to develop a platform, it doesn't seem that strange to just charge that upfront when someone buys an iPhone.

Re: Apple countersues Epic, seeks punitive damages

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Post by anm89 » Tue, Sep 08, 2020, 8:49 PM UTC

It's as if Apple is on a mission to destroy the credibility and respect they had.

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Post by theflyingelvis » Tue, Sep 08, 2020, 8:49 PM UTC

“There is nothing anticompetitive about charging a commission for others to use one’s service,” Apple said in the filing.

What about forcing someone or some company to use a service (apple's payment systems)?

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Post by liability » Tue, Sep 08, 2020, 8:50 PM UTC

In my experience bullies cry the most when they get hit back. Apple throwing a temper tantrum when somebody fights back fits that pattern.

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Post by GiorgioG » Tue, Sep 08, 2020, 8:51 PM UTC

Someone is asleep at the wheel here.

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Post by anm89 » Tue, Sep 08, 2020, 8:51 PM UTC

jrockway wrote: post #3

Apple writes in their court filing: “Epic sought to enjoy all of the benefits of Apple’s iOS platform and related services while its ‘hotfix’ lined Epic’s pockets at Apple’s expense.” It seems that Apple has forgotten that each iPhone user already paid Apple hundreds (if not thousands) of dollars for the iPhone itself. It is reasonable to charge developers for development tools, but if that's what you want to do, jus…

While in principle I agree with you, if Epic signed an agreement that they owed Apple a percent based on initial terms, then that is out the window.

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Post by strictnein » Tue, Sep 08, 2020, 8:52 PM UTC

theflyingelvis wrote: post #5

“There is nothing anticompetitive about charging a commission for others to use one’s service,” Apple said in the filing. What about forcing someone or some company to use a service (apple's payment systems)?

Such a weird argument too, as if there was a different service Epic could use to reach > 50% of the US mobile market.

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Post by digismack » Tue, Sep 08, 2020, 8:52 PM UTC

arijun wrote: post #2

Can we please stop using paywalled sources? Here's one that's not paywalled for me, if someone else has an issue with it I will try to find another decent source that's not paywalled. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2020/09/08/epic-ap... Alternatively, https://www.cnbc.com/2020/09/08/apple-seeks-damages-from-epi...

WaPo is paywalled as well.