If you resent people who have children at your place of employment you have too much time on your hands.
Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees during Covid-19
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Re: Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees during Covid-19
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm perfectly fine with working more than people with children right now, because children are as the saying goes, quite literally our future. I don't have any but seeing how difficult it is for friends right now who do I am perfectly fine with picking up some extra work. I wish we could stop treating this like an individual issue, as we do everything nowadays, which is probably why we're getting so screwed by this v…
> I'm perfectly fine with working more than people with children That’s cool. Seems like not everybody agrees with you
This is an uncharitable interpretation. Here is GP's statement without the editorializing quotation:
> I'm perfectly fine with working more than people with children right now,...
Re: Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees during Covid-19
#63There is a reason why the term "childless privilege" exists.
What’s that reason? Because to my knowledge people aren’t forced to have children. This phrase exists to attack those without children by portraying people who made a different choice as having a privilege, when many literally can’t have children. Privilege is something you have irrespective of your choices, you don’t get to portray the consequences of your choices as if other people have privilege.
Sort of like buying a car and then referring to people who haven't bought the car as privileged for still having the money the car cost.
Except in this case, the people who didn't buy the car are already actively paying taxes toward services for those cars even though they don't have one.
Re: Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees during Covid-19
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a team of 4 people. 2 have families, 2 don't. The ones that don't picked up the slack for the ones that did. Work quality was equal, but output was greater for the singles. The team has 2 slots for promotion. Do you ignore the fact that the single people put in more work or do you factor it in in the promotion decision?
Neither. The failure is with the team's manager. The team's leadership should have reduced the workload of the team. It starts at the top. I work at a (non-tech) Fortune 50 and the message from the CEO on down has been the same: take vacation, take care of your family, some priorities/projects for this year will not be met and that is fine.
>> The team's leadership should have reduced the workload of the team.
This isn't always possible, especially given the target businesses that hang out here. This is just evading a tough question.
Re: Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees during Covid-19
#65I am a middle-aged adult with no children who's worked at tech firms for the past couple decades. To be honest, the "resentment" of those without children have for "benefits" those with children get strikes me as extremely selfish, immature and displaying a total lack of empathy. This is time off specifically to take care of children, something now that has become exceedingly more difficult in Covid times. What's nex…
The problem is, people without children are told (or required) to pick up the workload left behind when the coworkers having children taking (multiple) weeks off. For once or twice that might be okay, but if became a chronic problem, no wonder they are not happy.
Yes, they should be unhappy about that: at their managers. Not at their colleagues attempting to care for children during a pandemic.
I've heard a related thing about US workers resenting colleagues for taking paid time off for similar reasons, and it's just as weird to my European eyes. The difference a decent labour movement (or the legacy of one) can make to industrial relations is stark
Re: Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees during Covid-19
#66I don't see how this is specific to tech firms? Why not any other company currently WFH-ing?
Re: Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees during Covid-19
#67I sympathize with the parents but this is just how life goes. If you have kids, you’re going to be more occupied than people without kids since we all have limited time on this Earth. And of course your career will be negatively impacted. There are good things about having kids and bad things. This is one of those potential bad things. If you don’t want to deal with this possibility then simply don’t have kids.
How do you sympathize? Edit: For clarity, the comment is clearly unsympathetic.
You can recognize when things will be harder for some people than it is for others, but at the same time acknowledge that these are simply the consequences of different choices being made.
I have no doubt it is harder for my coworkers with kids now than it is usually, but I also know that they chose to have kids, and knew that would mean that they’d have more “work” in some cases than if they didn’t have kids.
But they chose to have kids, and I’m getting tired of these threads where everyone with kids seems to be saying that kids a purely a burden to be put up with, which is honestly what these complaints about it “being a full time job” sound like.
Re: Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees during Covid-19
#68I am a middle-aged adult with no children who's worked at tech firms for the past couple decades. To be honest, the "resentment" of those without children have for "benefits" those with children get strikes me as extremely selfish, immature and displaying a total lack of empathy. This is time off specifically to take care of children, something now that has become exceedingly more difficult in Covid times. What's nex…
It's a normal and rational human emotion to feel anger or annoyance at differential treatment for no fault of your own, whether that boils over as "resentment" is a function of your own emotional maturity in my opinion.
But there is a growing resentment from "child-free" folks who take issue with your points a) and b). I don't know how I feel about the first point but the second one is a critical failure point in our society and economy that should be removed, and we shouldn't necessarily design an economy with incentives that promote growing population.
Re: Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees during Covid-19
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a team of 4 people. 2 have families, 2 don't. The ones that don't picked up the slack for the ones that did. Work quality was equal, but output was greater for the singles. The team has 2 slots for promotion. Do you ignore the fact that the single people put in more work or do you factor it in in the promotion decision?
Neither. The failure is with the team's manager. The team's leadership should have reduced the workload of the team. It starts at the top. I work at a (non-tech) Fortune 50 and the message from the CEO on down has been the same: take vacation, take care of your family, some priorities/projects for this year will not be met and that is fine.
This reminds me of mandatory leave for male parents after childbirth. Women will stop producing because of childbirth, so let’s screw everybody over
Re: Tech firms face growing resentment of parent employees during Covid-19
#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
What’s that reason? Because to my knowledge people aren’t forced to have children. This phrase exists to attack those without children by portraying people who made a different choice as having a privilege, when many literally can’t have children. Privilege is something you have irrespective of your choices, you don’t get to portray the consequences of your choices as if other people have privilege.
Sort of like buying a car and then referring to people who haven't bought the car as privileged for still having the money the car cost. Except in this case, the people who didn't buy the car are already actively paying taxes toward services for those cars even though they don't have one.
Yup