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Covid vaccine makers commit to not seek approval until complete Phase III trials

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Re: Covid vaccine makers commit to not seek approval until complete Phase III trials

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Post by spamizbad »

shajznnckfke wrote: post #37
wearhere wrote: post #5

What’s the timeline for Phase III trials? The article doesn’t seem to say. I don’t feel reassured that those won’t be rushed.

The virus is pretty bad, right? Ought we be making a cost-benefit analysis where we compare the risks of side effects from the vaccine to the risks of the spread of the virus? In comparison to a vaccine like Gardisil, which surely prevents far fewer deaths than a covid-19 vaccine will, wouldn’t such an analysis actually indicate that the trials be rushed to some extent? I’m feeling anxious that the current political…

The 1976 swine flu outbreak is one example of what can go wrong if you rush a vaccine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1976_swine_flu_outbreak

It was rushed by the Ford administration for political reasons and got a lot of people very sick.

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Post by meheleventyone »

Vysero wrote: post #53
meheleventyone wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to be trying to say something but trail off into weak points all the time. Why would you not talk to the opposition about a politically motivated issue made by the President?

Funny.. the article doesn't seem to have any quotes from politicians supporting Trumps view point. Had there been one, I would have called it out as well, but their isn't.. is there?

As per the article the administration view on the matter is widely known. As is their widespread lying surrounding the issue.

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Post by blackflame7000 »

Tepix wrote: post #20
Vysero wrote: post #3

"Sen. Kamala Harris of California, the Democratic vice presidential nominee, hinted that she would not take a Covid-19 vaccine if one were approved and distributed before the election. “I would not trust Donald Trump,” she said in a CNN interview. “I will not take his word for it.”" Tell me again why I should care what Kamala Harris opinion on the matter is? It must be her infinite knowledge and experience as a train…

Why do people care about what medical advice Trump has to offer? We don't really need a vaccine, we can just drink bleach!

I think Trump’s sarcasm is lost on some people and thats why they dislike him so passionately.

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Post by smt88 »

blackflame7000 wrote: post #44
landryraccoon wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems odd to write an impassioned comment about how little one cares about someone else’s opinion. Wouldn’t shrugging and then immediately forgetting what they think and moving on be more consistent with your claimed state of mind?

He’s pointing out that the article has political undertones. If it were purely about the virus, kamala harris, or any politician for that matter, wouldn't have even been mentioned

In the US, public health is politicized. It's absolutely reasonable to discuss the public health doctrine of the current administration and/or a possible future one.

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Post by shajznnckfke »

gizmo686 wrote: post #57
shajznnckfke wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The virus is pretty bad, right? Ought we be making a cost-benefit analysis where we compare the risks of side effects from the vaccine to the risks of the spread of the virus? In comparison to a vaccine like Gardisil, which surely prevents far fewer deaths than a covid-19 vaccine will, wouldn’t such an analysis actually indicate that the trials be rushed to some extent? I’m feeling anxious that the current political…

Covid isn't that bad when compared to the potential harm that a dangerous vaccine could cause when injected into billions of people. Particularly because deploying the vaccine would not immediately stop all the covid19 damage. Further, deploying a dangerous or innefective vaccine would also cause significant long term damage to public health by fueling doubt in healthcare; particuarly since antivaccers are already a…

Given the way this story is going, I’m somewhat expecting a future where right-wingers refuse to wear masks but happily take the vaccine, while the left goes antivax and refuses to take it (because it was “rushed by Trump”) but continues to wear masks. Perhaps by our powers combined, we’ll defeat the virus!

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Post by takeda »

onetimemanytime wrote: post #47
wearhere wrote: post #5

What’s the timeline for Phase III trials? The article doesn’t seem to say. I don’t feel reassured that those won’t be rushed.

>> I don’t feel reassured that those won’t be rushed. actually I am. Vaccine makers don't gain much by doing something risky (considering the negatives) so they'll check the ones seeking election at all costs.

especially right now, a failure when so many are paying attention (and large part of population is now anti-vaxers) could actually ruin the company.

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Post by blackflame7000 »

snowwrestler wrote: post #63
blackflame7000 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He’s pointing out that the article has political undertones. If it were purely about the virus, kamala harris, or any politician for that matter, wouldn't have even been mentioned

Of course it has political undertones; the only reason these companies felt compelled to issue this statement was to counter the widely-spread fear that the sitting president of the U.S. would attempt to corrupt the standard vaccine process to his political benefit.

And what basis do you have to believe such treasonous claims? CNN told you so? What motivation could they possibly have? Oh yeah, to get you to vote democrat. Don’t be naive.

Re: Covid vaccine makers commit to not seek approval until complete Phase III trials

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

Vysero wrote: post #49
landryraccoon wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems odd to write an impassioned comment about how little one cares about someone else’s opinion. Wouldn’t shrugging and then immediately forgetting what they think and moving on be more consistent with your claimed state of mind?

No it wouldn't be consistent with that. That would be consistent with not thinking critically. The hypocrisy of quoting a politician in order to reinforce your narrative whilst simultaneous talking about how the narrative your trying to reinforce is being driven by political motivations is... well it's sad really.

Such a bizarre argument. Direct quote from your comment:

> Tell me again why I should care what Kamala Harris opinion on the matter is?

Literally no one else is telling you that you should care what Kamala Harris' opinion on the matter is. You are the only one that seems to care what her opinion on the matter is.

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Post by marcosdumay »

saiya-jin wrote: post #45
dmarchand90 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My impression is that this was done to specifically counter Donald Trump rushing a vaccine prior to the election. I don't think it was really made to give any security beyond that

Any increase in testing time will give some, albeit hard to measure, improvement in safety of the vaccine. Or am I missing something?

Trump has made some very worrisome statements intended on either rushing a vaccine or placing the blame for the lack of it into whoever refuses to rush it.

Then the FDA answered with a non-statement that said basically "there's no conspiracy, we are fully invested into doing our job". And, of course, that gave a clear signal that the FDA felt pressured and was reported worldwide with that bias.

So, I read the GP saying that the manufacturers are telling the FDA "we know better than you" in an attempt to conserve their own credibility. Notice that this is a very bad message to pass into their own regulator, and worrisome for different reasons. But as long as it's only PR, it's not a real problem.

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Post by RHSeeger »

calvinmorrison wrote: post #65
dmarchand90 wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My impression is that this was done to specifically counter Donald Trump rushing a vaccine prior to the election. I don't think it was really made to give any security beyond that

How about "rushing" the vaccine to you know... end the pandemic? Or would you rather more people die "from covid" to hurt Trumps chances of winning?

I'd rather more people die to Covid than find out 20 million people have failing livers and 5 million were born with birth defects because they rushed a vaccine without enough testing.
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