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Covid vaccine makers commit to not seek approval until complete Phase III trials

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Re: Covid vaccine makers commit to not seek approval until complete Phase III trials

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Post by hn_check »

Vysero wrote: post #8
anamexis wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like her opinion is that she will defer to trained virologists.

That's completely beside the point. What I asked is, why should I care what her opinion on the mater is? Why was this quote included in this article? Also it doesn't "sound like" that at all. You could not possibly make that judgment based on the two sentences included in the quote.

She was asked by CNN, given that she's running on the Biden-Harris ticket. No one particularly cares whether you care or not, but she is clearly a rather important person right now and was asked this question given that public health has marched to political drums rather than safety drums lately.

Re: Covid vaccine makers commit to not seek approval until complete Phase III trials

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Post by creaghpatr »

kippinitreal wrote: post #7

Seems like a smart decision by those businesses to team up (collude?) here both for business and public health reasons. If they all agree to wait post election there will be a higher rate of vaccinations which will benefit everyone (sales and progress towards herd immunity). I'm not sure if this would put them into any odd legal situations for playing politics.

There's no collusion or team up here, the pledge in question carries no obligations and is not legally binding. So this is more of a PR play. Possibly in response to politicians sowing doubt on the efficacy of a vaccine.

Re: Covid vaccine makers commit to not seek approval until complete Phase III trials

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Post by landryraccoon »

Vysero wrote: post #8
anamexis wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like her opinion is that she will defer to trained virologists.

That's completely beside the point. What I asked is, why should I care what her opinion on the mater is? Why was this quote included in this article? Also it doesn't "sound like" that at all. You could not possibly make that judgment based on the two sentences included in the quote.

It seems odd to write an impassioned comment about how little one cares about someone else’s opinion. Wouldn’t shrugging and then immediately forgetting what they think and moving on be more consistent with your claimed state of mind?

Re: Covid vaccine makers commit to not seek approval until complete Phase III trials

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Post by anamexis »

Vysero wrote: post #8
anamexis wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like her opinion is that she will defer to trained virologists.

That's completely beside the point. What I asked is, why should I care what her opinion on the mater is? Why was this quote included in this article? Also it doesn't "sound like" that at all. You could not possibly make that judgment based on the two sentences included in the quote.

Because the article is about is about political involvement tainting public trust in the vaccine development process, and she is a prominent politician who recently made remarks about the matter.

Re: Covid vaccine makers commit to not seek approval until complete Phase III trials

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Post by hackyhacky »

Vysero wrote: post #8
anamexis wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like her opinion is that she will defer to trained virologists.

That's completely beside the point. What I asked is, why should I care what her opinion on the mater is? Why was this quote included in this article? Also it doesn't "sound like" that at all. You could not possibly make that judgment based on the two sentences included in the quote.

Those are two questions. (a) No one can make you care about anything. You are totally free to live in apathy. (b) Her quote was included because she is a prominent political figure in the US, and her position is explicitly contrasted with that of the current administration. This contrast is relevant because of the upcoming election.

Re: Covid vaccine makers commit to not seek approval until complete Phase III trials

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Post by meddlepal »

Vysero wrote: post #8
anamexis wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It sounds like her opinion is that she will defer to trained virologists.

That's completely beside the point. What I asked is, why should I care what her opinion on the mater is? Why was this quote included in this article? Also it doesn't "sound like" that at all. You could not possibly make that judgment based on the two sentences included in the quote.

Because shes running as the VP to the most powerful political office in the world?

Re: Covid vaccine makers commit to not seek approval until complete Phase III trials

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Post by Vysero »

hn_check wrote: post #11
Vysero wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's completely beside the point. What I asked is, why should I care what her opinion on the mater is? Why was this quote included in this article? Also it doesn't "sound like" that at all. You could not possibly make that judgment based on the two sentences included in the quote.

She was asked by CNN, given that she's running on the Biden-Harris ticket. No one particularly cares whether you care or not, but she is clearly a rather important person right now and was asked this question given that public health has marched to political drums rather than safety drums lately.

Really? Considering the article is talking about how these things could be politically motivated I find it pretty dang odd to then go on by quoting a politicians opinion on the mater...

Re: Covid vaccine makers commit to not seek approval until complete Phase III trials

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Post by chundicus »

astrophysician wrote: post #9

Question: is it not a standard procedure to stop a Phase III trial early when the statistics warrant it? Isn't this a pretty cut-and-dried statistical question? Naively I would think that there's nothing controversial about ending a trial early, isn't that the ethical thing to do? I guess the political maneuvering angle before the election complicates all of that, but if the Trump administration is really willing to…

My understanding is that the data has to be overwhelmingly good to stop the trial early.

I suspect the Trump administration's ability to actually fabricate trial data would be pretty limited without collateral damage (i.e. whistleblowing). Their ability to push it out of Phase III prematurely however is more debatable.

Re: Covid vaccine makers commit to not seek approval until complete Phase III trials

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Post by Tepix »

Vysero wrote: post #3

"Sen. Kamala Harris of California, the Democratic vice presidential nominee, hinted that she would not take a Covid-19 vaccine if one were approved and distributed before the election. “I would not trust Donald Trump,” she said in a CNN interview. “I will not take his word for it.”" Tell me again why I should care what Kamala Harris opinion on the matter is? It must be her infinite knowledge and experience as a train…

Why do people care about what medical advice Trump has to offer? We don't really need a vaccine, we can just drink bleach!
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