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Re: PandaDoc employees arrested in Belarus after founders protest against violence

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Protests in Belarus are way more civilized than recent protests in both Portland and the rest of USA. The difference is stark, shocking, and puzzling.

Considering America is awash in guns, I don’t think it should be surprising. In the early days of the republic there were many armed uprisings... Not to mention the US Civil War.

The violence around protests has had remarkably little to do with guns, except maybe for police shooting protestors. A tiny handful of events when huge protests are taking place in basically every city is itself pretty remarkable.

Re: PandaDoc employees arrested in Belarus after founders protest against violence

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Protests in Belarus are way more civilized than recent protests in both Portland and the rest of USA. The difference is stark, shocking, and puzzling.

Considering America is awash in guns, I don’t think it should be surprising. In the early days of the republic there were many armed uprisings... Not to mention the US Civil War.

Belarusians have a lot of hunting riffles on hands too. But these are tightly regulated. You can't wear it just because you want to. And people were jailed for possession a single WW2 era round found in the forest (Belarus had a lot going on on its territory during WW2 and as the result - a lot of stuff is still in the soil all across the country).

Re: PandaDoc employees arrested in Belarus after founders protest against violence

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Usually(last 50y) US and EU would initiate sanctions, if it doesn't collide too greatly with their own interests, that would put pressure on respective government by putting their economy in peril. Lately US has stepped down from that role, and openly started diplomatic hostilities towards the EU. EU isn't powerful enough alone, plus they deal with their own economic and social issues which make them not stable enoug…

I'm not sure how the US has stepped down from that role: https://www.state.gov/ukraine-and-russia-sanctions/ https://www.reuters.com/article/us-belarus-election-usa-sanc... And if you mean "diplomatic hostiles" in that the US is angry at the EU for not cooperating with the sanction process against targeted countries or meeting their military obligations so that they qualify to vote in international politics, then I g…

You're not sure? How about Trump fighting against new sanctions and actively pursuing removal of existing ones?

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-administration-battles-n...

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jan/27/us-lifts-sanct...

Re: PandaDoc employees arrested in Belarus after founders protest against violence

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There was only huge problems with internet for the first few days of protests. Now they only censor specific websites, but internet is more or less working around the country.

Blocking websites thanks to silicon valley network co. Sandvine![0] They were also used to censor the web in Egypt but nobody on the US end seems to give a shit that local companies are facilitating dictators [0] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-08-28/belarusia...

nobody on the US end seems to give a shit that local companies are facilitating dictators

Slightly fewer than half the electorate in the US is excited to vote for an authoritarian president in their own country who has repeatedly talked about not giving up power due to term limits [0] or election results [1], a guy who praised Xi for just naming himself president for life and said he'd like to give it a shot [2].

It follows that a lot are indifferent to dictators abroad.

0 - https://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/election-2020/trump-sa...

1 - https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-election-results-white-ho...

2 - https://www.reuters.com/article/us-trump-china/trump-praises...

Re: PandaDoc employees arrested in Belarus after founders protest against violence

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This is tangential..

As a European, I feel that we are too disconnected from this affair. Just as with the Ukrainian civil war and Crimean annexation, a big part of this conflict is a conservative, repressive, Russia/Putin sponsored regime at odds with a population that identifies more with European/EU values... especially younger people.

Russia see the dignity, prosperity and freedom of several nations as trivial relative to their "vital concern" of having a buffer between them and "The West."

I'm not saying that we can or should escalate recklessly vis-a-vis Russia. I am saying that they are our neighbors too, not just Russia's. We have our interests too, and more importantly our solidarity. The Lukashenko regime is anachronistic, brutal and failed.

This is not a foreign affair.

I understand and even sympathize with Putin's concerns on encroachment. He lays them out clearly enough. I will also admit that mistakes have been made, and the the US played its hand too aggressively in the 1990s. I also think that the EU (and NATO, if the US is willing) should negotiate a peace treaty that addresses these. I also genuinely believe this is possible.

For that to happen though, we need to take a much firmer stance. We need to be as interested in our neighbors as Russia is. The whole premise of the EU is peace and sovereignty. Those values need to be represented here.

Ukraine was abused because of their desire to join the EU, and we treated it as above our paygrade. Now, Russia is openly propping up Lukashenko. Next year it will be Lithuania, Estonia. Putin might decide to intervene on behalf of Victor Orban. We're in this one way or another.

Re: PandaDoc employees arrested in Belarus after founders protest against violence

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RoW thinks Portland is borderline civil war anyway. Only a true American could conceive of hundreds of masked, rifle-bearing men marching around and clashing with other groups as a protest.

What is RoW?

Rest of the World I think

Re: PandaDoc employees arrested in Belarus after founders protest against violence

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> Several international audits and inspections by EY and other reputable companies over the last years prove that the company adhered to all regulations and laws prevalent in Belarus.

I don't want to take away from the point of the article, but this made me chuckle.

Are we talking about the same "reputable" EY that has been auditing Wirecard for years and years while a giant scam reported on by the Financial Times was happening right in front of their eyes? They might not be held accountable financially, but I think we can and should stop calling them reputable.

Re: PandaDoc employees arrested in Belarus after founders protest against violence

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Protests in Belarus are way more civilized than recent protests in both Portland and the rest of USA. The difference is stark, shocking, and puzzling.

The US protests are being sabotaged with violence from outsiders to delegitimize them.

Agreed, this is why portland protesters are demanding these outsiders (the national guard) leave.

Re: PandaDoc employees arrested in Belarus after founders protest against violence

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This is tangential.. As a European, I feel that we are too disconnected from this affair. Just as with the Ukrainian civil war and Crimean annexation, a big part of this conflict is a conservative, repressive, Russia/Putin sponsored regime at odds with a population that identifies more with European/EU values... especially younger people. Russia see the dignity, prosperity and freedom of several nations as trivial re…

"Ukrainian civil war" russian propaganda is doing it's job well

Re: PandaDoc employees arrested in Belarus after founders protest against violence

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A few facts about these events: - Based on data collected by from only some polling places, there is a huge discrepancies in results comparing to official ones. Most poling places refused to post results. People, who demanded to post results (as the law requires), were arrested. You can read more about it at belarus2020.org - A lot of journalists left state media. Replacements were brought from Russia's state's propa…

> Based on data collected by from only some polling places, there is a huge discrepancies in results comparing to official ones. Most poling places refused to post results. People, who demanded to post results (as the law requires), were arrested. You can read more about it at belarus2020.org

Whatever country you're in, this is a good time to think about becoming a poll watcher. The exact arrangements vary but elections nearly always have a place for volunteers to watch the count somehow.

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