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Or you can look at actual data: http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes151031.htm Average salary for a software engineer is $90k, for California $103k (this excludes "programmers" who just implement fully spec'd code).
who just implement fully spec'd code Fully spec'd code? I hope the PMs are getting a raise, as I've yet to see such a thing!
edit maybe if you implemented to spec...
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Transparency would also level the playing field in terms of negotiations. Whether or not you are a good negotiator should not affect how much you get paid for most types of positions. As it stands, in most companies, negotiation is welcome and if you're savvy, you can get all sorts of perks that someone who is not savvy will be unable to get. I'm a big fan of salary transparency -- the last startup I was a part of pr…
"Hey, I'm performing at or above this person's level, I should be compensated accordingly". The value you bring to the organization should be the deciding factor, and your performance relative to someone else might be a way to measure this, but probably isn't a good measure.
Not many employees would be happy taking a salary cut if their skillset becames less valuable (for whatever reason ).
There are so many variations and possible complications I don't think there is a fair "solution" to the salary disclosure question.
Different approaches work at different times for different organisations.
One of my earliest memories of the Salary Taboo was at the first Java One I attended as a freshly-minted Silverstream "Field Application Engineer" (must have been '99) Four of us in equivalent positions, including one woman got together in my room and started pounding down screwdrivers. After the fourth of fifth, we started talking salaries. All of the guys were making around $120k and the girl... (wait for it...) $8…
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I rather suspect that full salary transparency would result in a race-to-the-top.
In Finland, tax data is public -- you can go look up what your coworkers are making without the consent of either them or their employers. I don't think it has caused a race to the top in any meaningful way.
http://skattelister.no/skatt/profil/liv-johanne-ullmann-3417...
Edit: Heh, obviously, this has done the rounds on HN while I was asleep.
Or you can look at actual data: http://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes151031.htm Average salary for a software engineer is $90k, for California $103k (this excludes "programmers" who just implement fully spec'd code).
> who just implement fully spec'd code If the spec is really complete then why don't they just compile and run that? Put another way: Is there such a thing anymore as a programmer who just implements fully specced code?
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The problem is that when you're hiding salaries you can't really evaluate the market. Really by hiding that information you're giving the salary giver most of the power and those shopping around for a higher salary need to do a lot more work to evaluate how much they're worth on the market. I mean if Joe is doing half the work I'm doing, shouldn't he get paid significantly less? You're kind of attacking this from an…
Does the market really matter if I'm happy with what I'm being paid? That's ultimately the motivation for my argument - in which system are the greatest number of actors likely to be content?
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Higher Taxes. Quebec has generally higher taxes vs. the rest of canada, and places like washington have no state income tax. Also the locations it could be comparing could be downtown metro area's and their costs. 3km away from the downtown core and you get a huge drop in price.
The taxes aren't that much higher. And the rent is cheaper than Toronto.
I've always wanted to write exactly this blog post. Keeping your salary confidential is great for big companies, but it benefits you in no way. You should be making what your coworkers make. If you make less, you're being fucked, plain and simple. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you can remedy the situation. Sadly, some people go their whole careers without doing so. FWIW, my first programming job only paid $…
Hmmm... when I graduate I'd definitely take a £18000 p/a job. I mean it seems at this age getting your foot in the door, getting started and putting some 'commercial experience' on your CV is far more important than the actual salary. On the other hand, if I could make a living doing freelance web development, then I could build that up until I have an income that employers would need to match (rather than just throw…
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Very nice idea, but wouldn't the handwriting give away who owns what? Maybe everyone should print their salary in Arial 12 Bold on a 1" by 2" piece of paper, so that there will be no clues to who made what note. OTOH, this might be a bit complicated in a pub setting ('over beers').
Time to knock up salaryshare.com? (oh look, it's already registered)