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Re: Is Spotify Killing the Top 40?

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Cactus2018 wrote: post #19
baron816 wrote: post #14

> While blockbuster movies are only growing in importance... Obviously, there have been no real blockbusters released this year. I don’t have evidence, but for me it seems like indie movies are thriving. The Streamers are all pouring money into original movies—I can’t think of a single movie that Netflix, Prime, or Hulu has produced that was a sequel.

Speaking of blockbuster sequels. Look at these crazy dollar amounts, especially the Avengers franchise. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_super...

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Re: Is Spotify Killing the Top 40?

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Post by 29athrowaway »

swiley wrote: post #3

This would be great. The idea of “best ranked music” results in mediocre, bland music that’s mostly ranked based on the social connections of the artist. Musical culture and genres are extremely diverse and trying to rank individual pieces of music makes discovery harder. I doubt they’ll actually do this of course. Their monetization model relies on ranking.

Based on the songs being aggresively pushed by record labels, it seems that the ultimate goals of mainstream music industry are:

- To glorify violence, substance abuse, disrespect of women, domination behavior, anti-intellectualism.

- To reinforce racial stereotypes, including fear of minorities.

- To make people superficial.

Songs are an effective way to deliver a message to be repeated over and over and over again until people break and assimilate the message.

Re: Is Spotify Killing the Top 40?

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Post by humanrebar »

baron816 wrote: post #14

> While blockbuster movies are only growing in importance... Obviously, there have been no real blockbusters released this year. I don’t have evidence, but for me it seems like indie movies are thriving. The Streamers are all pouring money into original movies—I can’t think of a single movie that Netflix, Prime, or Hulu has produced that was a sequel.

The new Pee Wee movie. Death Note was a remake. They made a movie as a sequel to Breaking Bad. They also pick up many series that were canceled elsewhere, like Arrested Development. The Sandler movies are technically original, though at this point his stuff is as much a franchise as Madea.

But, yeah, they do pick up a lot of original and niche stuff too. They're the only reason the romantic comedy is still a thing, for instance.

Re: Is Spotify Killing the Top 40?

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Post by dylan604 »

baron816 wrote: post #14

> While blockbuster movies are only growing in importance... Obviously, there have been no real blockbusters released this year. I don’t have evidence, but for me it seems like indie movies are thriving. The Streamers are all pouring money into original movies—I can’t think of a single movie that Netflix, Prime, or Hulu has produced that was a sequel.

Streaming has also focused a lot on serial content. Lots of those titles have had multiple seasons. One season is easily 3-4 features worth of content. The feature is not the end-all it used to be.

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Post by Applejinx »

duxup wrote: post #8
1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #6

"In a seminal 2004 essay in Wired titled "The Long Tail," journalist Chris Anderson argued that digital culture would help niche music, books, and movies thrive. With fewer gatekeepers and more avenues to find likeminded fans, people would be more likely to indulge their true interests, rather than just accept what was offered by the mainstream." Nice idea, there is some truth to it based on what we've seen so far, b…

Doesn't the article indicate...the long tail might be true?

For income? Oh hell no.

Re: Is Spotify Killing the Top 40?

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Post by baron816 »

teruakohatu wrote: post #18
baron816 wrote: post #14

> While blockbuster movies are only growing in importance... Obviously, there have been no real blockbusters released this year. I don’t have evidence, but for me it seems like indie movies are thriving. The Streamers are all pouring money into original movies—I can’t think of a single movie that Netflix, Prime, or Hulu has produced that was a sequel.

You need to create originals before you can cash in on sequels. Or buy them eg. Disney buying Marvel for $4b and making $18 billion 10 years later from the IP. Off the top of my head a Netflix original Christmas movie has had two sequels.

Oh, yes there were some teen romcoms that had sequels (eg. Kissing Booth 2). I’m not exactly the target audience for those.

Re: Is Spotify Killing the Top 40?

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Post by dylan604 »

ponker wrote: post #11
toby wrote: post #10

This article says that the Top 40 has dropped from 35mm to 30mm plays on a Wednesday. Then it says: "The decline is likely partially the result of an overall decrease in streaming after Covid-19 hit the US, due to the absence of people listening to music on commutes and in stores. But it’s not just that. The biggest hits are declining, while the streaming of smaller hits remains about the same." Seems like it could b…

There’s also a different mix of music by listening scenario. I mostly listen to Top 40 and similar garbage while I’m commuting because I’m not that discerning. But the people who are true music aficionados are probably continuing to listen to their obscure music even when not commuting.

In other words its formulaic garbage people really don't care about, yet are too occupied to change it. When given the choice, they choose not.

Re: Is Spotify Killing the Top 40?

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Post by staplers »

29athrowaway wrote: post #22
swiley wrote: post #3

This would be great. The idea of “best ranked music” results in mediocre, bland music that’s mostly ranked based on the social connections of the artist. Musical culture and genres are extremely diverse and trying to rank individual pieces of music makes discovery harder. I doubt they’ll actually do this of course. Their monetization model relies on ranking.

Based on the songs being aggresively pushed by record labels, it seems that the ultimate goals of mainstream music industry are: - To glorify violence, substance abuse, disrespect of women, domination behavior, anti-intellectualism. - To reinforce racial stereotypes, including fear of minorities. - To make people superficial. Songs are an effective way to deliver a message to be repeated over and over and over again…

The themes you mentioned are being pushed by more than just the corporate music industry.

Re: Is Spotify Killing the Top 40?

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Post by 29athrowaway »

humanrebar wrote: post #23
baron816 wrote: post #14

> While blockbuster movies are only growing in importance... Obviously, there have been no real blockbusters released this year. I don’t have evidence, but for me it seems like indie movies are thriving. The Streamers are all pouring money into original movies—I can’t think of a single movie that Netflix, Prime, or Hulu has produced that was a sequel.

The new Pee Wee movie. Death Note was a remake. They made a movie as a sequel to Breaking Bad. They also pick up many series that were canceled elsewhere, like Arrested Development. The Sandler movies are technically original, though at this point his stuff is as much a franchise as Madea. But, yeah, they do pick up a lot of original and niche stuff too. They're the only reason the romantic comedy is still a thing, f…

Netflix did a pretty bad job with Death Note.

Willam Dafoe was a good cast, but the same cannot be said of the rest.

Re: Is Spotify Killing the Top 40?

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Post by RandoHolmes »

dehrmann wrote: post #17
ponker wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s also a different mix of music by listening scenario. I mostly listen to Top 40 and similar garbage while I’m commuting because I’m not that discerning. But the people who are true music aficionados are probably continuing to listen to their obscure music even when not commuting.

Not just scenario, but during crises, people tend to go for the familiar, so older tracks might have done relatively better than before. Spotify users might also be skewing a bit older than they used to as streaming adoption grows, but this is just a guess, and older users tent to use Apple Music.

According to the article, less popular songs are still being streamed about as much as they were before.
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