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Re: BitTorrent v2

#141

Post by simple_phrases »

k__ wrote: post #130
rolleiflex wrote: post #83

I make P2P tools too. [0] Let me tell you this: Bittorrent is one of the few things in the space that actually ... works. It works not in the sense that there is a white paper that should work. Not in the sense that there are a few company-made swarms hosted on industrial servers that keep everyone up and alive, so that the thing gives the impression the 'P2P' network does work. Not in the sense that there is a very-…

"there are a few company-made swarms hosted on industrial servers that keep everyone up and alive, so that the thing gives the impression the 'P2P' network does work" What about the trackers?

DHT makes trackers simply an aggregation and redundancy measure.

Re: BitTorrent v2

#142

Post by bserge »

Hamuko wrote: post #132
bserge wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't like the idea of limited bandwidth or charging per gigabyte because I know ISPs will rip people off and still not upgrade their networks to handle more traffic. But I think it would considerably change the Internet landscape. No more listening to the same exact song multiple times on Youtube or Spotify or whatever. No more downloading then deleting the same stuff over and over again. I think about it o…

> It's a lot of electricity used, I guess? Is it though? How much electricity is used to serve a 1080p Netflix movie several times vs. playing the same movie from a local storage medium? If you asked me, I'd rather burn Bitcoin mining rigs if I wanted to get rid of electricity waste.

Yeah, I don't know. I just think about the bandwidth we all use sometimes and it seems extremely wasteful and it bothers me for some reason. I use around ~200-300 GB/month, which I thought was a lot until I saw how much other people use :D

Re: BitTorrent v2

#143

Post by bserge »

wmf wrote: post #138
bserge wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really don't like the idea of limited bandwidth or charging per gigabyte because I know ISPs will rip people off and still not upgrade their networks to handle more traffic. But I think it would considerably change the Internet landscape. No more listening to the same exact song multiple times on Youtube or Spotify or whatever. No more downloading then deleting the same stuff over and over again. I think about it o…

Wait until you hear how much CPU time and RAM is being wasted...

It's actually the reverse that bothers me in that case! I have more RAM and CPU time than I can possibly use :D

Unless that's what you meant...

Re: BitTorrent v2

#144

Post by cercatrova »

rolleiflex wrote: post #83

I make P2P tools too. [0] Let me tell you this: Bittorrent is one of the few things in the space that actually ... works. It works not in the sense that there is a white paper that should work. Not in the sense that there are a few company-made swarms hosted on industrial servers that keep everyone up and alive, so that the thing gives the impression the 'P2P' network does work. Not in the sense that there is a very-…

> It's a tool that doesn't pitch that it's a P2P tool - it doesn't try to convince you with sob stories in how using P2P helps fight against the big bad evil web. Instead, you use it because it's genuinely the best at what it does: it being P2P is not a selling point, it's just how it happens to work, and that is exactly what it should be.

This should be something that every creator who markets or sells products should learn. Consumers don't care how it works, it just has to be better than the solution before it. Appealing to how things ought to be moralistically doesn't work (for the vast majority of consumers). They just don't care, they want a solution to their problem.

Re: BitTorrent v2

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Post by DevX101 »

rolleiflex wrote: post #83

I make P2P tools too. [0] Let me tell you this: Bittorrent is one of the few things in the space that actually ... works. It works not in the sense that there is a white paper that should work. Not in the sense that there are a few company-made swarms hosted on industrial servers that keep everyone up and alive, so that the thing gives the impression the 'P2P' network does work. Not in the sense that there is a very-…

BitTorrent was one of the few things that once I understood how it worked, I realized I was looking at the product of true genius.

Re: BitTorrent v2

#147

Post by joenathanone »

simple_phrases wrote: post #141
k__ wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"there are a few company-made swarms hosted on industrial servers that keep everyone up and alive, so that the thing gives the impression the 'P2P' network does work" What about the trackers?

DHT makes trackers simply an aggregation and redundancy measure.

It should, but in practice it doesn't. I've had torrents that I left sitting for weeks not being able to complete, until I added a list of trackers to them and found some seeders with 100% of the torrent.

Re: BitTorrent v2

#148

Post by Hamuko »

bserge wrote: post #142
Hamuko wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's a lot of electricity used, I guess? Is it though? How much electricity is used to serve a 1080p Netflix movie several times vs. playing the same movie from a local storage medium? If you asked me, I'd rather burn Bitcoin mining rigs if I wanted to get rid of electricity waste.

Yeah, I don't know. I just think about the bandwidth we all use sometimes and it seems extremely wasteful and it bothers me for some reason. I use around ~200-300 GB/month, which I thought was a lot until I saw how much other people use :D

>I use around ~200-300 GB/month

Pretty sure I use more than that in a day.

Re: BitTorrent v2

#149

Post by godzillabrennus »

rolleiflex wrote: post #83

I make P2P tools too. [0] Let me tell you this: Bittorrent is one of the few things in the space that actually ... works. It works not in the sense that there is a white paper that should work. Not in the sense that there are a few company-made swarms hosted on industrial servers that keep everyone up and alive, so that the thing gives the impression the 'P2P' network does work. Not in the sense that there is a very-…

Hacking around distributed hash table open source software gave me the utmost respect for the people who came up with this stuff.

Crypto currencies owe a lot of their successes to the pioneers behind technologies that also power bit torrent.

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