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Tech workers flee Belarus as IT haven takes authoritarian turn

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Re: Tech workers flee Belarus as IT haven takes authoritarian turn

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The Germans were well aware of Russia's population at the time. In the 1930s, the Germans produced a huge amount of areal-studies scholarship with regard to the USSR (demographics, ethnography, history, linguistics, etc.). Even today scholars occasionally rely on those papers and monographs, as distasteful as a publication produced under the Nazi regime might be. No, the Germans’ delusion was that these many tens of…

I was taught that when the Germans invaded, there were industrial cities in the Soviet Union that had been created after World War 1 that weren't even on the German maps at the time of the invasion, the Germans didn't know the extent of Soviet industrialization in the inter-war period. Is that all false?

I'm doubtful. The Soviets were loudly propagandizing their industrial achievements to all who would listen.

Something like military bases they would try to hide, but if anything Soviet industrialization was oversold, in the sense that there was a huge fetish for certain production modes such as tons of steel produced, which overstated actual industrialization.

To say it another way, this is an example of Goodhart's Law:

   "Any observed statistical regularity will tend to collapse   once pressure is placed upon it for control purposes."

In the annals of western industrialization, it became common to look at various indexes, for example of tons of steel produced, as a measure of industrial output and thus of GDP per capita.

So Soviet Planners decided that they would focus on these traditional indexes as targets, and so created massive overproduction of things like steel, reasoning that this would catapult their industrialization, as measured by the same indexes, upwards.

But that's not an apples to apples comparison to western nations measures of GDP, because a society needs many things: butter, milk, bread, steel, coal, clothes, shoes, etc. In a normal market society, these are all produced in rough proportions as people need them, millions of products are produced, so you can pick 100 of them as indexes to track overall economic output as there is no reason to think that the economy would bizarelly produce twice as much steel as it needed. Thus taking a handfull of goods and using them as proxies makes sense.

But if you take the same society, and instead of producing a million goods, you only produce 100 according to a plan rather than according to consumer demand, then you can have a situation in which the economy produces twice as much steel as it needs, and so steel production ceases being an accurate proxy for overall production.

Thus using western measures to track production of command economies is very challenging.

Which is not to say that Soviets didn't industrialize rapidly (at a terrible price in terms of human suffering) but that the bulk of the real gains happened as a result of World War 2 mobilization and the two decades after the end of the war, rather than in the period 1918-1940.

The pre-WW2 period saw a doubling of GDP per capita from the start of WW1 to the start of WW2, or a tripling of GDP/capita from the war ravaged state Russia was in after losing WW1 and and the end of the civil war to the start of WW2, but this gain in production was mostly due to shifting production away from agriculture and towards mass production -- sectoral shifts. But because production was planned, the increase in production did not result in a corresponding increase in sectoral productivity (productivity within a sector), which actually declined spectacularly due to collectivization, and so you had an economy in which some goods were massively overproduced even as millions were starving.

More information can be found here: https://voxeu.org/article/stalin-and-soviet-industrialisatio...

Re: Tech workers flee Belarus as IT haven takes authoritarian turn

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If the EU takes over they are more likely turn into a failed state? Not quite sure I'm getting what you mean.

In any internet topic covering Ukraine or Belarus, you can find at least one toxic Russian actively hating its Western neighbors.

Only that they don't have to be Russian. One can be a westerner and still be able to think by itself.

PS: sometimes I'm a Chinese too.

Re: Tech workers flee Belarus as IT haven takes authoritarian turn

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Trump isn't rated in a vacuum - There is too much hypocrisy in the opposition, starting with sticking with Biden after the allegation of sexual assault.

What’s you’re opinion on why the Republican Party stuck with Trump despite the numerous sexual allegations against him? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_miscondu... I’m not trying to compare Biden and Trump in this, but you seem to imply in your post that dems should have dumped Biden because of that accusation. Why should Biden be treated differently than Trump?

There's no hypocrisy involved with Republicans since they didn't state that all allegations by women should be believed unconditionally. Again, see the Dem comments about Kavanaugh and why they didn't think they needed any evidence to label him a rapist.

As for the misconduct claims on Wikipedia, a lot of them look doubtful.

Re: Tech workers flee Belarus as IT haven takes authoritarian turn

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It is a very smart turn of the Polish side to support the political crysis is Belarus. When the country is turned into chaos it will be beneficial for the Polish economy when many Belarussian workers go to Poland.

"IT haven takes authoritarian turn". Really? Isn't the so called IT haven exists under the exactly same government? What changed?

What changed is the situation of foreign instigated chaos intended to weaken a key Russian ally with the additional benefit that when many Belarussian workers leave the country they will serv someone's else economy. The competition of Belarussian IT industry will also be eliminated.

Re: Tech workers flee Belarus as IT haven takes authoritarian turn

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Germany is just one country further; flights are fast and dirt cheap. If you go abroad, might as well go to a place where salaries are higher.

Surprisingly enough, tech salaries are not that much higher in Germany than they are in Poland. In Germany, the tech wages are surprisingly low, and when you couple that with higher taxes and high cost of living, it is not as attractive as US or Switzerland. In more concrete terms: 60-70k EUR is what you are looking at in Germany in good job markets, while in Poland the figure is 30-40k EUR. When you consider taxes,…

>When you consider taxes, housing, and other costs, the difference is really not that great.

I've made the opposite experience. Sure everything is 30% more expensive in Germany than in Poland but you also make twice as much money. The differences in cost of living are pretty insignificant but the salary is so much higher that it more than makes up the difference.

Re: Tech workers flee Belarus as IT haven takes authoritarian turn

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Life is pretty cheap in Germany if you live a simple life. Supermarkets are famously cheap. Clothes, electronics cost the same as anywhere else. Rent is bearable outside of big cities and jobs are quite well distributed across Germany. The big difference is in the savings. Even if you just make twice as much, your savings per month can be several times higher than in Poland, which makes a lot of difference if you wan…

One has to also mention that living a simple life likely involves living in a smaller town somewhere with all the negative aspects that it involves. i.e. lack of social life, no other like-minded expats, etc.

It must be a language thing but the oxymoron of "smaller town" strikes me as a very odd thing to say. I'm sure you use it to mean "smaller city" because according wikipedia a town has a population of around 5000 people. So when people think of a smaller town they may think of a place with a few hundred people.

Now lets cut to the chase. With the exception of the top 40 cities in Germany every other city has a population of less than 200k people. Unless you go to those 40 places which represent roughly 25% of the population the rest of Germany is nothing but "small cities".

Re: Tech workers flee Belarus as IT haven takes authoritarian turn

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One has to also mention that living a simple life likely involves living in a smaller town somewhere with all the negative aspects that it involves. i.e. lack of social life, no other like-minded expats, etc.

Lots of "small towns" have social life especially university towns. Also, yes, a simple life means not to live like an American expat lol. You can have a social life without spending lots of money if you socialize with "like minded" people who also don't want to waste money. You can have friends over for dinner at home with a few beers from the supermarket, play cards or boardgames or video games, soccer or basketbal…

Not just American expat, but any kind of expat (or if you prefer foreigner) because these are the people most likely to become new acquaintances and friends since they're likely also looking to make new friends. Locals will always be more reluctant and less interested to make friends because they already have a social circle and it takes effort on their side.

University towns only really make a difference if the hypothetical person moving there is college age and if there's a significant number of foreign students. Otherwise why would German college kids want to socialize with a late 20s foreigner?

Someone which moves to a new country will leave their entire social circle behind: family, friends, personal and professional acquaintances. It's an immense loss that will never really be recovered and the older you are the harder it is.

Re: Tech workers flee Belarus as IT haven takes authoritarian turn

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> 3. Many people from outside the EU, even though they're not considered "white" by Westerners, look white from the outside (think of e.g. Arabs) and the differences are purely cultural. Within a few generations you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between them and "white" people. The US government officially considers Arab people to be "white". [1] Some Arab Americans disagree with this and believe they are n…

Generally speaking, this question in this form just doesn't come up much in Europe as, "who is white" is much less of a discussion point than in the US, along with all "race" discussions. This is not to say that racism or xenophobia don't exist in Europe, but animosity exists inbetween "whites" as well, and people can hate Arabs without thinking about it in terms of "whites" vs Arabs, and rather thinking about it as…

"Not saying this is much better, just trying to point out that not all parts of the world are obsessed with the American flavor of the concept of race" We've just witnessed BLM demonstrations all over Europe though. I agree it's less of a thing in Europe, but it definitely exists.

Re: Tech workers flee Belarus as IT haven takes authoritarian turn

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post #163

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One has to also mention that living a simple life likely involves living in a smaller town somewhere with all the negative aspects that it involves. i.e. lack of social life, no other like-minded expats, etc.

It must be a language thing but the oxymoron of "smaller town" strikes me as a very odd thing to say. I'm sure you use it to mean "smaller city" because according wikipedia a town has a population of around 5000 people. So when people think of a smaller town they may think of a place with a few hundred people. Now lets cut to the chase. With the exception of the top 40 cities in Germany every other city has a populat…

Technically small town's not an oxymoron, since the two don't contradict each-other. :-) Now adding small was probably too much, but on the other hand a city of around 200k people already has quite high rents/prices.

I have some friends living in what according to wikipedia one could call a half-town and looked at an apartment there out of curiosity. A 3 room apartment (newly built) was about 280.000 EUR and that's in a town where they have 1 hotel, 1 restaurant (or maybe 2) and 0 supermarkets. In my experience if one wants a 3 room apartment in a normal city, one would add another 100.000 EUR to that price.

Re: Tech workers flee Belarus as IT haven takes authoritarian turn

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Computer Programmers are almost all male in Belarus, but QA, Graphics Designers, Data Science, etc roles are very often female, which makes for a rather decent 70/30 gender distribution in headcount (2020 PVT numbers).

Sure, they may be almost all male now, but (a) there are still females and non-hetero people in the mix (b) I still think it is worth not propagating stereotypes in language. The first step toward positive change is to change the way people think about these roles, and remove the automatic mental picture of a hetero male when people say "software engineer". That feeds back into the hiring loop and worsens the problem…

Honestly it's a matter of motivation and dedication. Boys like videos games so they end up using either consoles or computers a lot. Some of them want to make their own game and learn programming. Anyone who reads injustice into this doesn't understand anything about humans.

People may think that career choice is something special and magical when it is not.

Let's say you have become a successful developer. Now you want to work on a side project. There are so many choices and possibilities. Most of them are equally good. You choose something. Then you get stuck, bored or the rest of your life gets in the way. You scrap the old thing and do something new. Rinse and repeat. After 5 unfinished side projects you feel like you have accomplished nothing.

The reality is that you didn't actually care about any of the side projects. If you cared about them you would have stuck with them until completion. Making a choice and staying with it is difficult at any stage in your life. Unless... it is extremely obvious and necessary. Suddenly there is no question about it. You you know very little about electronics but think you absolutely need to design a custom PCB for this important project and you're not going to compromise on this at all. You read up on electronics theory for 3 whole weeks without even thinking a single thought about your final design, pick some components and feel lost reading the datasheet. Start up your EDA suite get mad and feel like everything is hopeless the first few days. Two weeks later you have finally designed a good enough schematic and then suddenly everything is easy in hindsight.

You didn't have the qualifications to finish this project but did so anyway, all you needed was a little motivation and dedication.

If there is a need, it will be met. If you think someone should do X, then give them a reason to do X. This applies to "software engineers" and all other professions equally.

The overlap between talented and motivated students exists for a reason. Talent is just motivation in disguise.

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