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Professor suspended for saying 那个 nà ge

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Re: Professor suspended for saying 那个 nà ge

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post #7

Seize all university endowments--the crystallization of privilege--and distribute the money as reparations

Endowments are not the privilege – government supported loans and grants are the privilege.

If private universities want to fire people for ridiculous reasons that's bad but should be legal. However it's disgusting the government supports them.

Re: Professor suspended for saying 那个 nà ge

#52
post #42

Some time ago a fellow countryman, a basketball player, made it into NBA. After a controversial ruling by a judge that one of his teammates performed a foul, he kept yelling "ni ga, ni ga, ni ga". Contextually translated, he meant "he hadn't touched him". He had to apologize profusely and explain to no end what he meant. Regardless, his career was soon over after that. We, non-native speakers, must be really careful…

I'd like to read more about this incident.

Which country? Do you have a link to any article on this? Or a name I can search for?

Re: Professor suspended for saying 那个 nà ge

#54

So in Korean, the word for "you" is 니가 (pronounced "nee-gah"). Example usage: 니가 언제 먹었어요? (When did you eat? "Nee-gah un-jeh mug-uss-uh-yo") I can't help but wonder if the use of this word would also elicit a similar reaction... EDIT: I briefly forgot this, but there is a similar Korean word "내가" which is "me" or "I", and pronounced "ne-gah". Example usage: 내가 이 밥을 먹었어요. (I ate this food. "Ne-ga ee bap-uhl mug-uss-uh…

"You" and "me" are pronunced "nee-gah" and "ne-gah"? Those sound very similar, does that ever lead to misunderstandings?

Re: Professor suspended for saying 那个 nà ge

#56
I just watched the video after reading the article, and the video -- if it's of the incident to which people were objecting -- wasn't as cringey as I expected it to be; however, I would've hoped that an expert who was lecturing about language and culture would've anticipated the problem, and been more sensitive to it.

Maybe, if he saw the problem, he could've prefaced the example with warning, or otherwise acknowledged the sensitivity. I didn't get a sense that the offense was intentional.

The article had a comment that suggested someone didn't see how the similar sounds were a problem.

One reason I would suspect it's a problem (which I heard in a TV show, in which a character explains how an anti-gay slur is hurtful to them), is that they grew up hearing that slur hurled in the context of other injustices, from childhood.

I can also imagine that insensitivity to how hurtful a slur is could feel like a signal that someone doesn't understand or care about the associated injustices.

This hurtful mistake could be a learning moment for the professor, and maybe he could then help a lot of other people to also learn something constructive from it, and help everyone move forward in understanding and helping each other.

Re: Professor suspended for saying 那个 nà ge

#57
Watching the video, I cannot fathom how anyone can interpret this as being a racial slur?

This is a common idiom in Chinese, people say it all the time.

This is baffling and truly terrifying. Are we really there? This sort of overreaching witch hunting is belittling the fight against racism.

Am I missing something?

Re: Professor suspended for saying 那个 nà ge

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> Last Thursday in your GSBA-542 classes, Professor Greg Patton repeated several times a Chinese word that sounds very similar to a vile racial slur in English. Understandably, this caused great pain and upset among students, and for that I am deeply sorry. It is simply unacceptable for faculty to use words in class that can marginalize, hurt and harm the psychological safety of our students. We must and we will do b…

Students of Swedish or Danish at this university will (presumably) be ignorant of the word "slut" (end, finished), and maybe the number six ("sex" / "seks") too. "We will start the Danish course with the numbers. En, to, tre, fire, fem, fem plus en, syv, otte, ni, ti."

I'm currently studying Danish and can't help but be amused when every 'lyt og gentag' exercise ends with 'slut'. But just as in the OP, it's not even the same vowel as the English word, so the resemblance is only passing. How absurd that careers may be ruined by using the wrong two consonants next to each other. How absurd that we call it progress.
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