I've made one important change in how I vote as a result of the hidden score change. I'm now more afraid to downvote. My usual downvote algorithm was: If offtopic/noise and score >-4 then downvote. Now I don't downvote for fear that it already has 100s of downvotes and I'd just be dogpiling.
Ask PG: Can we see the response to the HN changes?
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Re: Ask PG: Can we see the response to the HN changes?
#12Personally I'm really missing seeing the karma on comments. Fundamentally, removing them has changed the balance of what karma is all about. Karma previously had a function for the reader. It highlighted and bubbled up the good. It showed where there were good counter points. Now...well it's just for the account owner. It feels just like it's there for your own rpg-levelling style dopamine hit. It feels pointless. I…
For me, I missed karma scores most in indented threads, because good comments didn't naturally sort to the top the way they do at the root level.
Also, I was reading the nginx 1.0 post where I saw some short but technical observations, and I had no idea if the community deemed them valid or informational. At first I though this was bad, but upon further reflection, and after reading some technical comments with more beef, I'm now on the fence. The beefier comments brought along their own credence, so if removing karma scores prompts folks to write longer more explanatory comments, that might be better.
Re: Ask PG: Can we see the response to the HN changes?
#13I've made one important change in how I vote as a result of the hidden score change. I'm now more afraid to downvote. My usual downvote algorithm was: If offtopic/noise and score >-4 then downvote. Now I don't downvote for fear that it already has 100s of downvotes and I'd just be dogpiling.
Maybe I am misinterpreting it, but comments seem to vary in color from black to nearly white. I am not sure how many levels of gradation there are, but it seems that ones that have been down voted are lighter than those that haven't?
Re: Ask PG: Can we see the response to the HN changes?
#14Where I could see things changing is higher highs and lower lows: previously I wouldn't downvote a well-intentioned but wrong comment below 0 or -1, but now I might because I don't know. Also, previously, I stopped voting up the first comment on an article if it already had a ton of votes, now I'm not so sure, so I might vote for it.
Re: Ask PG: Can we see the response to the HN changes?
#15I've made one important change in how I vote as a result of the hidden score change. I'm now more afraid to downvote. My usual downvote algorithm was: If offtopic/noise and score >-4 then downvote. Now I don't downvote for fear that it already has 100s of downvotes and I'd just be dogpiling.
Maybe I am misinterpreting it, but comments seem to vary in color from black to nearly white. I am not sure how many levels of gradation there are, but it seems that ones that have been down voted are lighter than those that haven't?
They do, but I don't know at what levels this happens. I'm kind of hoping not to need a pantone swatch to vote in the future.
Re: Ask PG: Can we see the response to the HN changes?
#16One more person really missing the karma numbers.
My algorithm was to read the first several high rated karma comments than the article if interesting. I usually got the picture from the peoples perspective quickly and it also eliminated lot of the repetition and noise.
Too bad, my hope and wish is that the karma on comments is coming back.
Re: Ask PG: Can we see the response to the HN changes?
#17Personally I'm really missing seeing the karma on comments. Fundamentally, removing them has changed the balance of what karma is all about. Karma previously had a function for the reader. It highlighted and bubbled up the good. It showed where there were good counter points. Now...well it's just for the account owner. It feels just like it's there for your own rpg-levelling style dopamine hit. It feels pointless. I…
I don't miss the karma at all. If you don't have time to read the comments and evaluate for yourself which ones are good or bad, why are you even here?
Re: Ask PG: Can we see the response to the HN changes?
#18From a visual inspection things look the same as always.
Do you have thoughts on some automated algorithms enterprising folk could implement?
Re: Ask PG: Can we see the response to the HN changes?
#19Personally I'm really missing seeing the karma on comments. Fundamentally, removing them has changed the balance of what karma is all about. Karma previously had a function for the reader. It highlighted and bubbled up the good. It showed where there were good counter points. Now...well it's just for the account owner. It feels just like it's there for your own rpg-levelling style dopamine hit. It feels pointless. I…
Correct me if I am wrong, but it appears the good is still bubbling to the top, simply the metric has been removed.
I find that I often instinctively head to upvote a comment that has hit its critical mass in terms of karma votes regardless of its content. I have to take a second, back off from my instinctual action, and evaluate. Often I end up upvoting it anyway upon reading it, but at least then I have taken the time to evaluate it myself.
Not having the points present makes this problem go away because there is no implicit "lots of people like this, I probably will to" reaction. The jury is still out on whether or not I think things are ultimately helped or hurt by the move but I believe it is worthwhile for the sake of experiment if nothing else.
Re: Ask PG: Can we see the response to the HN changes?
#20I'm liking the introduction of the flag link and coloring newbies green. I'm 50/50 on the comment points. I like seeing the points, but at the same time I no longer feel they're necessary. To me, the flag and coloring are more important changes that I hope stick around.