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Getting Users Is Hard

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Re: Getting Users Is Hard

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I would like to comment a little bit on my competitors. Facebook and meetup.com are search based events. If you want to find something to do you have to search it. You could get invited as well but if you don't you will never know about an event unless you actively look for it. They are not the same culture ethier. I would not go on meetup.com to see if my friends are going to the bar. The same goes for Facebook. Als…

Listen, your idea is inherently viral, so if you can’t make it work, it’s probably because you’re focusing on solving the wrong part of the problem.

Simplest solution: an app that texts my friends with an invite to an event, and has a link if they want to go that takes them back to my site and gives them a chance to change their mind on the page.

No download required. If people want to make their own events, they have to download your app.

If _that_ doesn’t grow, then you’re just not solving a painful enough problem. It might be painful for _you_, but it’s not painful enough for your friends.

Re: Getting Users Is Hard

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Wait. You're in Texas and are trying to get people to use an app that encourages them to meet in person, often in groups? During a pandemic where people are dying? I always want to be supportive of anyone building anything, but seriously... stop. Put it on ice for 6-12 months. This app sucks. Technology should be used to help people. Spend your time doing something good during the pandemic, not getting them killed.

Their responses in this thread make them out to be pretty uncaring. It’s not illegal to go out, I’m not suggesting people do by giving them a means to facilitate it, I’m not responsible! At some point you just have to admit you don’t care about the well-being of anybody.

I do care a lot actually as this pandemic's risk is personal to me. But because of where I live the people are not responding they way they are in different states. It's not like the pandemic happened and all the sudden I had this idea. I had this idea before the pandemic, started working on it before the pandemic. Then the pandemic happened. As I have mentioned I don't want people using this app unless they already are going out regularly with their friends.

Re: Getting Users Is Hard

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post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their responses in this thread make them out to be pretty uncaring. It’s not illegal to go out, I’m not suggesting people do by giving them a means to facilitate it, I’m not responsible! At some point you just have to admit you don’t care about the well-being of anybody.

I do care a lot actually as this pandemic's risk is personal to me. But because of where I live the people are not responding they way they are in different states. It's not like the pandemic happened and all the sudden I had this idea. I had this idea before the pandemic, started working on it before the pandemic. Then the pandemic happened. As I have mentioned I don't want people using this app unless they already…

Ryan, you've fallen into a trap a lot of younger engineers do... a complete lack of empathy. Code is rigid and logical, but the reasons we write code never are.

Ignoring COVID, you don't seem to be able to see this from anyone's perceptive but your own. Your app offers nothing to the user they can't get in a thousand other places, better. The quality is very low compared to what people expect, the usecase is one nobody has ever asked for, yet you still have this vibe of believing people owe you an audience. Rather than making something good that people want, you're looking for growth hacks.

People are telling you directly and indirectly that this was a swing and a miss. Add on COVID, and your responses just kinda make you seem like you don't care. Don't say "the risk is personal," as though that's a magic wand that exculpates you... it just makes it worse.

Find something to work on that won't endanger people, and stop justifying building a meetup app during a pandemic. I get it, things changed since you started in November and that sucks... but they did change. Now you have to.

Ryan, if you pivot into something that helps people rather than hurts, I'd be more than happy to help you get your first users. My email's in my profile.

Re: Getting Users Is Hard

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Wait. You're in Texas and are trying to get people to use an app that encourages them to meet in person, often in groups? During a pandemic where people are dying? I always want to be supportive of anyone building anything, but seriously... stop. Put it on ice for 6-12 months. This app sucks. Technology should be used to help people. Spend your time doing something good during the pandemic, not getting them killed.

I'm not sure i've ever read an HN comment i find as distasteful as this.

The OP is building an app to help people meet, yet by their own admission have managed to attract one user. They asked a question about a common issue engineers face: onboarding and marketing. Your comment ignores nearly every shred of this substance. Instead you accuse them of "getting [users] killed"? Patently absurd. To cut them down at the knees in this way is counter productive at best.

In the greater context of American society, Urban Isolationism is a real problem. You can argue that it is a less urgent issue during covid, but the dangers remain all the same. I applaud the OP for trying to chip away at this problem. Crazy to think your comment is the HN-upvoted response to their efforts.

What a place this has become.

Re: Getting Users Is Hard

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I'll share a few points here. We've sold over 1 million paid apps. We've gotten to 5 million+ app downloads in 4 additional markets. So the approach is based on what worked and what didn't. However, we don't know how to get to 100 million or even 10 million users as we haven't done it yet. So keep that in mind

Our approach is VERY extreme. So it depends on whether you have the resources and persistence to do it

A) The Market Always Wins/Product Market Fit Always Wins

So every possible project you could do, its success will be determined PRIMARILY by whether the market wants your product or not

Everything else doesn't matter

B) So your approach should NOT be

I have a problem. I solved it for myself by building this app. How do I get users for it

It should be

What is a LARGE market which has a strong need that is UNSERVED

completely forget yourself and focus 100% on users who are dying for a product

In your post and responses there is a massive amount of me-centrism i.e. I'm building, I'm trying, I propose, I'm trying, I made, I contacted. I was hoping. I was wondering. I messaged. I was wondering, I could really use

Where is - Customer needs. Customer demands. Team aims. Do you have a team? or you did it all yourself? Where is your designer and tester? even if you did all the coding yourself?

C) If you build the right product, then getting users is automatic

List of 82 people is around 100 times smaller than it needs to be. Probably 1,000 times smaller. You can't derive any worthwhile data from this

1 out of 24. That's too small a sample size

At best, it gives us no information

At worst, it tells us that out of those 24 people only 1 cared about the product enough to sign up

These are such small data points that you can't learn anything from them

D) Yes, Getting Users is Hard

However, you can make it easier by making something people want and which has little to no competition

The old saying - Be First, Be Best, or Have the Most Money

So, are you the first? No, not really

The Best? depends on how good your app and overall service is

Have the most money? Don't know but would be surprised if you were as your marketing plan seems to be 'tell my friends'

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E) Another VERY BIG mistake that lots of creators like developers, artists, musicians, etc make is

thinking their friends and family will boost them

For every 1 musician whose friends and family are going to buy 100 albums and give them a tiny boost at the start, there are 999 musicians whose friends and family won't

That is just not a viable business strategy, not even at the start

F) You should be going where your customers are. some forum where people are looking for a way to do quick events

such as knitting groups that are frustrated they can't meet up, or runner groups or bingo or book clubs

Find where they are and ask them to test your product

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G) I think there is superb value in the people who are telling you that you got some painful feedback right at the beginning, before you had invested half a million and 4 years of your life

Take that feedback to heart

Put this product on hold. You're launching it during a pandemic. It's LITERALLY the worst time to test out such a product

Plus, keep in mind that - YES, you are inviting your users to get Coronoavirus and die or infect their loved ones and they die

This is a SHOCKING amount of lack of consideration for your users

Really, I wrote this for other people. Not for you. You can still benefit from it

Market Always Wins

Have Consideration for the well being of your users. A few companies that don't do that have become very big. However, those are exceptions. Most companies that are very successful provide lots of value to their users and care about their users' well being

Re: Getting Users Is Hard

#66
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Their responses in this thread make them out to be pretty uncaring. It’s not illegal to go out, I’m not suggesting people do by giving them a means to facilitate it, I’m not responsible! At some point you just have to admit you don’t care about the well-being of anybody.

I do care a lot actually as this pandemic's risk is personal to me. But because of where I live the people are not responding they way they are in different states. It's not like the pandemic happened and all the sudden I had this idea. I had this idea before the pandemic, started working on it before the pandemic. Then the pandemic happened. As I have mentioned I don't want people using this app unless they already…

It sounds like folks are interpreting your app as promoting behavior that’s irresponsible at best and potentially dangerous to vulnerable demographics at worst. I don’t think that’s an uncharitable perspective given the zeitgeist and would advise pausing for some serious introspection here.

Re: Getting Users Is Hard

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post #20

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I can tell you hundreds of real problems in a minute. It is just that millions of people tried to find solutions and have failed. Thus they are extremly hard problems. The things is finding a real problem that you can actually solve.

This has been my experience. My list of real problems shortens with every filter I apply to it so that I can solve it. Turns out if I can see the solution upfront and be able to solve it in a relatively short time period, so can someone else.

You have to find some other competitive advantage why you can solve it better. As a one man operation those advantages are very limited

Re: Getting Users Is Hard

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Wait. You're in Texas and are trying to get people to use an app that encourages them to meet in person, often in groups? During a pandemic where people are dying? I always want to be supportive of anyone building anything, but seriously... stop. Put it on ice for 6-12 months. This app sucks. Technology should be used to help people. Spend your time doing something good during the pandemic, not getting them killed.

I'm not sure i've ever read an HN comment i find as distasteful as this. The OP is building an app to help people meet, yet by their own admission have managed to attract one user. They asked a question about a common issue engineers face: onboarding and marketing. Your comment ignores nearly every shred of this substance. Instead you accuse them of "getting [users] killed"? Patently absurd. To cut them down at the k…

Hey Ben! Thanks for the feedback. If it wasn't in the middle of a pandemic where people are dying, you'd be right – negativity on HN toward makers sucks, and is way too prevalent.

You can check my comment history, I spend a LOT of time helping people who are building things. I love makers, and like yourself, I'm a founder. I'm pretty sure this is the first time on HN/Twitter/etc I've been negative about someone putting something out into the world.

But it is a pandemic, and this app is trying to get people to do something that will endanger themselves and others. I'd even be supportive if he was just building it for when COVID slows down, but this whole post is about getting people to USE it. Right now.

People are dying... even if not directly due to the author. If they built something that helped people connect virtually, I wouldn't have said something "distasteful". But context is relevant here.

Ethics are as important to technology as code is.

(And on a personal note, I know you've heard this before... we were at RIT at the same time, and you had to take the same ethics classes I did to graduate.)

Re: Getting Users Is Hard

#69
post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm am not encouraging people should go out. Just the people that already are if they want they can use my app.

That’s not a distinction.

It's a distinction that Facebook seems to make since they still allow creating events on their platform.

Re: Getting Users Is Hard

#70
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may be on to something with respect to culture, but that is where the hard work will be: user experience design and marketing that codifies the culture into a brand that can distinguish your product among the sea of commodity social networking software.

Well my signup screen (first thing the user sees) has a background photo of a night life party to set the tone. Maybe I should make it darkmode themed to set the tone more but I don't want to discourage people using this to meet up for coffee. I strongly agree though, lots of hard work will be needed to be put in culture.

I don’t think there is currently any danger of anybody using it for anything.
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