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I'm happy to present one as an example. If be happy to continue discussing it past that as well, as long as you are willing to converse and not argue. Wealth in the hands of a few becomes static. Jeff Bezos can only buy so many jets. When you leave it there, the entire economy stagnates.

As most of Bezos' fortune is in Amazon stock, this money is not exactly sleeping.

Fair point, and same probably goes for other billionaires, who have their money in a variety of investments. That probably does a lot to juice the stock market, pumping up valuations, but it doesn't do as much to generate actual economic returns. Happy to be educated otherwise.

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I think it's an accurate summary of the arguments in favor of a wealth tax. But I would really like to hear if there are other arguments that can't be characterized that way. But it's hard to be persuaded when no-one actually presents the argument , and instead just criticizes the tone.

There were multiple prominent politicians with serious wealth tax proposals running in the 2020 Democratic Party primary. If you want implementation details I would suggest that you read their proposals. As for an "argument" it's really no different than any other political position in that it boils down mainly to what you personally value. I've observed at least two distinct value systems which can both lead to supp…

I'm firmly in the camp that believes that the situation in SF is obscene.

But if CA wants to work on fixing its social ills, they could start by implementing the basics, like a functioning property tax system, and reducing the tremendous amount of spending on things like pension abuse, before moving on to more exotic and invasive solutions like wealth taxes.

So many of their issues stem from the ridiculous housing and other property development situation. It's not the fault of the ultrawealthy so much as the moderately wealthy NIMBY homeowner. But it's less popular to blame them, because for many of us, they are ourselves.

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I don't think there's any chance at all this is going to happen. Security theater in airports is perpetuated by an agency that depends on fear to secure its funding and a government that depends on us fighting the "bad guys" (even if they aren't any close to as dangerous as they want us to think). COVID fear isn't being perpetuated by any government agencies at the national level. If anything, the federal government…

Airport security is very similar (if more efficient) in non-US airports, so rent seeking can't be the whole explanation. As far as I know, in most countries security is done by private contractors and not a government agency.

Flying within EU, the security theater boils down to restricting fluids to individually less than 100 ml in hand luggage, having all metallic stuff removed from your body as far as possible in order to be screened and maintaining a certain posture while being body-scanned.

Occasionally your shoes will be scanned. That's it, at least from my (quite frequent within-EU flying experience) perspective.

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Some are. Most were nice. Some do that as a way of seeing whether a founder will get discouraged; if you know your idea will work, it’s easy to respond “Actually, that isn’t a problem anymore because X.” That tends to perk up the ears of VCs, since old ideas are bad until they’re suddenly very good.

If the intent is to test for resilience (not getting discouraged by setbacks) or for technical savvy (being able to debate the merits of the approach knowledgeably, and able to refine/pivot when problems with it encountered), I don't understand introducing the variable of rudeness. If A being rude to B, there's a good chance B will walk away, even if B could argue their point. If the situation is such that B can't wa…

This is way over analyzing the situation.

They are not testing for such things. Sometimes over drinks, someone might say something, possibly rude, possibly just perceived as that. I wouldn't perceive it as rude if someone said to me 'Kid, XYZ is dead!'. It's just a statement.

There are not 'introduction of variables' here.

Also, I would perceive it a rude to meet someone in a social situation and have them 'pitch' to me. That part of 'always hustling' in every social setting is one of the reasons I will never move back to the Valley.

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It’s weird. Been programming and in tech since 97. I never felt marginalized, but I didn’t care. I was doing STUFF in tech, always learning. My young mind was aflame. I felt like I was changing the world in the dot com boom/bust. Then I grew up and so did tech apparently.

The word marginalized gets thrown around too much, it's the wrong word to use. Unpopular would be the better word. We were nerds. Revenge of the Nerds was about people like us: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0088000/ I know that when I came across an article where Wil Wheaton was complaining about CUPS and how bad printer drivers were in linux I was tickled pink. Over time, as society became more aware of the value thi…

Yeah, and now, if anything, tech marginalizes its own older work force. Ageism really came home to roost in the dotcom era. The start of VC and startup culture really began to permeate hiring practices

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It's dis-incentivizing wealth creation in general and taking ownership away from people that build companies. There's a compelling argument that growth (that accounts for human rights and protecting the environment) is the best way to help the most people the fastest: https://press.stripe.com/#stubborn-attachments . Policy that dis-incentivizes wealth creation creates perverse incentives that limit growth. We're bett…

>We're better off with policy that limits how wealth can be leveraged into political power Has there ever been a case in history where a society has successfully limited the political impact with those of disproportionately immense wealth? edit: >There's a compelling argument that growth (that accounts for human rights and protecting the environment) is the best way to help the most people the fastest: I'd prefer to…

>We're better off with policy that limits how wealth can be leveraged into political power

>>Has there ever been a case in history where a society has successfully limited the political impact with those of disproportionately immense wealth?

there's more ways w/ tech to covertly do such than ever.

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If the intent is to test for resilience (not getting discouraged by setbacks) or for technical savvy (being able to debate the merits of the approach knowledgeably, and able to refine/pivot when problems with it encountered), I don't understand introducing the variable of rudeness. If A being rude to B, there's a good chance B will walk away, even if B could argue their point. If the situation is such that B can't wa…

This is way over analyzing the situation. They are not testing for such things. Sometimes over drinks, someone might say something, possibly rude, possibly just perceived as that. I wouldn't perceive it as rude if someone said to me 'Kid, XYZ is dead!'. It's just a statement. There are not 'introduction of variables' here. Also, I would perceive it a rude to meet someone in a social situation and have them 'pitch' to…

It was definitely rude of me to go in for a pitch like that. But as a 22 year old outsider I also didn’t know any better.

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I agree with most of your comment and it's making me rethink some of my opinions. But is this accurate: > Wealth creation isn't zero-sum, just because someone builds a business and creates wealth doesn't mean they're taking it from others. I'd say that's exactly the model that some of the startups are taking. Uber and Lyft come to mind. A part of their wealth is coming from the pockets of workers who have to work for…

Arguably wealth creation is never zero-sum, but businesses also do cause money to transfer which is - but I get what you're trying to say and won't dispute definitions. By wealth creation I mean something like this: you buy parts to build a house on land you've purchased. After you're done building the value of that house is worth more than the sum of its parts. The time you invested created something more valuable w…

You fail to note that the medallion system existed partially to limit traffic, pollution, car accidents, pedestrian accidents and all the other externalities caused by massive amounts of additional cars on the road. You can argue if it's a net benefit or not but you failing to even note it is telling.

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> Wealth creation isn't zero-sum, just because someone builds a business and creates wealth doesn't mean they're taking it from others. It absolutely is zero sum - but not from the point of money, but from the point of view of another finite resource; human labour and talent. The fact that someone has more wealth than someone else means that the market will value their time/spend more than someone who is poor. Think…

> It absolutely is zero sum - but not from the point of money, but from the point of view of another finite resource; human labour and talent. I think your point is less about wealth creation, and more about access to capital and how that influences who can fund what work. It's a subtle distinction, but I think an important one - and yes you're right access to capital and how capital is allocated is zero sum and this…

> I think your point is less about wealth creation, and more about access to capital and how that influences who can fund what work. It's a subtle distinction, but I think an important one - and yes you're right access to capital and how capital is allocated is zero sum and this influences what work is done.

I agree; I'm talking about the allocation of capital in a capitalist society; I'm effectively arguing that inequality and wealth distorts the markets such that capital is allocated to be invested in products which those who are richer care more about - to put it in a more reductive way the fitness function is a simple maximum rather than, for example, having a scaling factor per person.

A liberal democracy is intended to be the latter, but as we've seen, enough wealth and lobbying implies that you can indeed, influence enough of your fellow populace to vote how you want them to.

> I think this is best structure for society to efficiently allocate resources/capital in a way that encourages the most wealth creation and growth

With all due respect, this is similar to the argument laid out by Leibniz when asked about the existence of God; that is that "We live in the best of all possible worlds" - and in that case the rebuttal is the same, given that the proposition is such a strong one the burden of proof is on the proposer. After all, Mercantilism was thought to be the best system during the Rennaisance and Feudalism in the Middle ages to give two examples of economic systems which were later discarded.

> The way to fix this is with incentives that encourage people to go into areas society thinks are more worthwhile

Capitalism only has a single answer to this question; the areas which have more capital are by definition the areas which society thinks are more worthwhile! Which, is why it is an incredible system - it manages to make people who by and large are self-interested and self-organize and as you say has been the biggest driver for human wealth and prosperity for over a century without the need for some benevolent dictator.

To my mind, there are several really big problems which we have to face in the coming years. You alluded to it here tangentially;

> people like Las Vegas

I think with adtech industry and social media, it's incredibly easy to influence what people desire and want - if you can control what people want; can we still really say that capitalism makes people more prosperous, if the very reason that they were poor because we induced artificial needs and desires in them?

On a more practical level, I agree with you; people should be incentivised to start companies because it's good for society. But where we disagree, possibly, is that money is the only driver which causes people to start companies. The IBD banker in your example, would start the company regardless of whether the payout was lower, but by implementing a wealth tax, maybe the we could give the opportunity to the teacher with the great idea about educational technology to create _their_ business and enrich society.

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This is way over analyzing the situation. They are not testing for such things. Sometimes over drinks, someone might say something, possibly rude, possibly just perceived as that. I wouldn't perceive it as rude if someone said to me 'Kid, XYZ is dead!'. It's just a statement. There are not 'introduction of variables' here. Also, I would perceive it a rude to meet someone in a social situation and have them 'pitch' to…

It was definitely rude of me to go in for a pitch like that. But as a 22 year old outsider I also didn’t know any better.

Not so much rude as possibly overzealous in that context, I don't think anyone cares that much, it's not something to ever worry about or linger on. It's the Valley.

It's just not something that people outside the game would handle well.

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