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Mathematicians should stop naming things after each other

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Re: Mathematicians should stop naming things after each other

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I Disagree with you, in Computer Science we have things like: "Quick Sort", "Merge Sort", "Map", "Hashtable", "LRU", etc... etc... They are much more descriptive and easy to remember, even though the Algorithms can be complex themselves. Event the name "Boolean", could be changed to "Conditional"... and be even more readable. Also, Dijkstra algorithm can be generalized to "Shortest Path Algorithm" (there can be more…

Meanings of words drift over time, like, litterally.

Oh wow, I know this isn't what you meant but wouldn't it be great if we could use literally and litterally to mean literally and figuratively??

Re: Mathematicians should stop naming things after each other

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Strongly Disagree! You name things after who discovered it. In these case you name it after mathematicians like Newton, Euler, Turing, Gödel. For me its some sort of ignorance if you do not honor the one who discovered it. Other sciences has it too named after persons Fahrenheit, Celsius, Pascal etc.

Were tables invented by Mr/Mrs Table? Bottles by Mr/Mrs Bottle?

Re: Mathematicians should stop naming things after each other

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Meh, that's like saying it's so hard to remember San Francisco from San Jose from Mountain View from Palo Alto, why can't we just name them as Big Sea City, Big South City, Middle Town, and Expensive Town. I.e., it's a fake problem that only sounds plausible to outsiders - if you live in the Bay Area, then Mountain View being called Mountain View is the least of your problems in driving to Mountain View.

Agree, although as a Mountain View resident I'm pretty disgruntled that there is neither mountain nor view here. A town like Mammoth Lakes, CA would be a better candidate to deserve the name "Mountain View". Jokes aside there are places in the world that name themselves much more intuitively like you described. Beijing = northern capital Nanjing = southern capital Shanghai = on the sea Hong Kong = fragrant harbor Xi'…

there are places in the world that name themselves much more intuitively

Plenty of similar examples in the United States. West Gate, South Park, Big Ugly Creek. Sometimes it doesn't work out, like how South Charleston, West Virginia is northwest of Charleston.

Related, you can learn a lot about the history of a place by studying maps.

Hartford, New York, Throggs Neck, Kill Van Kill, Schuylkill, Gravesend, Brooklyn, The Bronx, all gain extra meaning if you know a little bit of history.

Re: Mathematicians should stop naming things after each other

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Meh, that's like saying it's so hard to remember San Francisco from San Jose from Mountain View from Palo Alto, why can't we just name them as Big Sea City, Big South City, Middle Town, and Expensive Town. I.e., it's a fake problem that only sounds plausible to outsiders - if you live in the Bay Area, then Mountain View being called Mountain View is the least of your problems in driving to Mountain View.

I prefer Tall Stick

Re: Mathematicians should stop naming things after each other

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Hard disagree. Once you get to the advanced levels of any field, terminology being "accessible" doesn't really matter, but being precise does . Areas like philosophy and law actually suffer in my opinion when they overload common words with uncommon meanings, or descend into weird disambiguations that depend on suffixes. For example, in philosophy there's "contractarianism" and "contractualism", and trying to remembe…

I've always thought there was a nice breakdown here in math; name things after what they are if they can be stated concisely, name them after discoverers as a short hand for here-there-be-dragons.

Re: Mathematicians should stop naming things after each other

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Hard disagree. Once you get to the advanced levels of any field, terminology being "accessible" doesn't really matter, but being precise does . Areas like philosophy and law actually suffer in my opinion when they overload common words with uncommon meanings, or descend into weird disambiguations that depend on suffixes. For example, in philosophy there's "contractarianism" and "contractualism", and trying to remembe…

Absolutely. When defining new areas the most important things are not bringing along baggage of irrelevant context and being distinct from other things--anything that's unique and visibly distinct (e.g. not like Q123512). Using common words would be the worst as we have ideas about them but the analogies break down fast and get in the way.

Re: Mathematicians should stop naming things after each other

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Computer science is not a subfield of math. Theoretical computer science is, but there is a lot more to cs than just tcs, for example: operating systems, programming languages, human computer interaction, etc. I agree on your first point though, I think the concepts named after people are usually so abstract that the hard part is to really understand the concepts, not to remember the name.

for example: operating systems, programming languages, human computer interaction, etc. Those topics might seem to have nothing to do with math but all of their components have mathematical underpinnings. Algorithms, data structures, complexity theory, and even the physics of end-to-end latency, colour perception, etc. There probably are some people out there, working in these fields with only a high school math back…

Everyone who completed a physics degree has done at least as much math as a CS degree holder, is physics a subfield of math?

(I think there is a discussion to be had about making the distinction "CS" vs "theoretical CS" as the GP comment does, or if it should be "CS" vs some other term ("computing"? feels a bit general))

Re: Mathematicians should stop naming things after each other

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Hard disagree. Once you get to the advanced levels of any field, terminology being "accessible" doesn't really matter, but being precise does . Areas like philosophy and law actually suffer in my opinion when they overload common words with uncommon meanings, or descend into weird disambiguations that depend on suffixes. For example, in philosophy there's "contractarianism" and "contractualism", and trying to remembe…

I strongly agree that precision matters, but in no way does naming a concept after a person help with precision. Almost entirely orthogonal. What does help with precision is typed languages. You cannot use a term until you've precisely defined it in terms previously defined, which can be back-traced automatically by a computer to ones and zeroes. It must be a language both parseable by a human and a machine. At that…

Is this a joke? I really can’t tell

Re: Mathematicians should stop naming things after each other

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That's because "easy to google" is much more important in the short, medium, and long runs than "easy to guess what it does"

I highly doubt this will work out well in the long term. Considering that once something new comes out with a similar name or even the word which was misspelled to form the name of some JS framework it will rise above in the search results.

Let's start with JavaScript which obvious should be similar to Java...

Re: Mathematicians should stop naming things after each other

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David Hilbert was so prolific that one of his eponymous theorems was also numbered: Hilbert's Theorem 90 .

Jean-Pierre Serre has a fun talk where he says that to write mathematics badly, you can write papers called "A proof of a theorem of Euler", the idea being that there are so many that the title gives 0 information.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECQyFzzBHlo

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