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Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000)

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Re: Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000)

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Sure, the Zapatistas, the Apoists, and a few indigenous anarchist groups. Forming gangs and militias is difficult when the status quo is good for most people resulting the majority being willing to use violence to avoid being ruled by gangs and warlords.

The zapatistas amd apoists appear to be effectively democratic militia, existing in opposition to outside oppressors. The body of your post there seems effectively to be historically illiterate.

They are indeed directly democratically run militias, but that is exactly how anarchists would run a militia.

And they aren't just militias, they also run civil society.

Re: Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000)

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But is it? If an anarchist society was to come to existence wouldn't it be necessary beforethen for it to be largely accepted? And also, there are currently existing societies where that dynamic works, so I'm not sure it's that unrealistic.

> If an anarchist society was to come to existence wouldn't it be necessary beforethen for it to be largely accepted? I guess so. THAT's the the big IF in that case :-). > And also, there are currently existing societies where that dynamic works, so I'm not sure it's that unrealistic. Really? Which societies?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_anarchist_communitie...

Re: Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000)

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I don't often read anything from anarchists. Whenever I do, it always comes off as sophomoric. Pretentious sophistry. When you boil down his questions, they're not serious questions about anarchy, they're lame excuses for him to keep talking. - Do you wait for your turn on a crowded bus? - Are you a member of a sports team or small group without a leader? - Do you think politicians suck, and people are selfish? - Do…

The let me tell you more tactic is intentional. Longer sales copy tends to sell more. That is, the length of the sales copy is positively correlated with the conversion rate.

Re: Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000)

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It's only better for me in an idealistic scenario where my local militia succeeds. If a bigger and stronger one comes around then my life could quickly become horrible.

I'd a bigger and stronger far away stranger militia wanted to come and invade you it wouldn't matter if you had authority or not.

It matters a lot if the authority is big enough that a random militia cannot topple them. A lone village can be raided with impunity, id the village is a part of a big country then soldiers will move in to protect them.

Re: Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000)

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I have never believed in anarchism, as I don't believe that "human beings are capable of behaving in a reasonable fashion without having to be forced to". But with COVID-19, I am seeing more proof than ever. In my country (but I guess it's the same in most, except perhaps some Nordic countries) bars, pubs and discos only reduce seating or close indoor spaces when forced to by law, in spite of the evidence that they c…

Measuring our capacity for anarchist living in a cutthroat capitalist society is sort of like comparing an apple with a black hole.

You can come up with some vague emotional colors where they can seem similar, I mean they both exist, can be represented on paper starting with base geometrical shapes, but further analysis of their composition and parts reveals a lot of differences.

It’s not a given that bars and salons are a normal feature of a non-tiered trade society where finding efficiency has generally meant extreme division of labor (at the cost of labor market resiliency IMO).

Would we have loans and leases on bars and salons if society isn’t being reminded by media and their neighbors trading fiat currency “is the way”?

Would we have the same economic dread foisted upon us?

Why not brew communally, or otherwise, like in a maker space and share knowledge of the processes and experiences we enjoy individually rather than fetishize dead relatives more limited view of sound fiscal policies, and social pecking order?

Why do I need to care that somehow through some Machiavellian mind game there’s a monetary flow back to some investor across the world in me?

Dead people lacking an eother ignorant of, or severely lacking strong evidence, for things like economic success is coupled to skill (when obviously we can also see social governance prop up failed elites).

A PhD in physics means putting forth an idea that the world works a way it would given the absence of human existence.

Please explain then how PhDs in economics should be given the same esteem since they rely on a heavily indoctrinated by media, human society abiding social norms of police states that have only existed for a couple hundred years?

Where’s the free market when we’ve been willing to send in men with guns to protect the way since the beginning of the nation (Whiskey Rebellion?)

Can we do better without the coercion? We don’t know cause it’s always been there.

Re: Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000)

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post #286

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The zapatistas amd apoists appear to be effectively democratic militia, existing in opposition to outside oppressors. The body of your post there seems effectively to be historically illiterate.

They are indeed directly democratically run militias, but that is exactly how anarchists would run a militia. And they aren't just militias, they also run civil society.

At that point, how does the definition of anarchy vary from the definition of democracy?

Re: Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000)

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post #273

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How are the human beings in government able to behave in a reasonable fashion without being forced to?

They are being forced to - by the threat of being voted out of office.

Then you have an endless circle of force, which doesn’t really explain why governments can work but other systems couldn’t work. Because of course other systems would also contain circles of force.

Re: Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000)

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post #278

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Some times, yes. And some times multiplied by however many people there are results in a lot of some times that people wouldn't be forced to in an anarchy.

It's not a "some times" statement, it posits that humans are capable of living reasonably without being forced. That people sometimes behave unreasonably is a different matter.

Not really. It is very relevant. You only need someone to behave unreasonable even once to destroy multiple peoples lives. There are enough psychopaths in the world to fuck up any kind of system that's not completely based on separation of powers.

I would posit that communism would probably also be pretty nice for most people, if it actually worked. So far it hasn't, and its pretty unrealistic that it ever will. That's also my stance on anarchy. Idealist, but unrealistic.

Re: Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000)

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> anacistic organisations, charities and protest movement have done a lot for the environment. In fact they are the only ones that have done anything at all. This is not true at all. Protecting the environment isn’t just about actions like planting trees and buying up the occasional extra property parcel to dedicate as a land reserve. It requires government scale regulation to impose negative consequences on people a…

The anarchist argument is distribution of power. Take the example of pollution. Say you're an employee of a fossil fuel cooperative. Is it in your interest to continue polluting? Yes, because you after all own some of the ressources of that company and control it. So what is the anarchist solution? Well, it's in the interests of everyone to stop pollution, right? So you'd need people to come together, decide that pop…

So, the "anarchist solution" to the tragedy of the commons - the avoidance of centralized power - entails a majority of the population banding together and acting as some sort of agent, with the power to set rules and redistribute wealth? I see.

Re: Are you an anarchist? The answer may surprise you (2000)

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post #273

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How are the human beings in government able to behave in a reasonable fashion without being forced to?

Who said they they aren’t forced to. Specific individuals clearly can act reasonably on their own. It’s groups where you need control and systems of government influence those in power. Democracy’s clearly force winning some elections, but even dictatorship means relying on the military, police, and taxation etc.

Who says systems of anarchy wouldn’t also force certain people to do certain things?
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