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Re: The Legend of GayBlade

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Post by int_19h » Tue, Sep 01, 2020, 7:30 PM UTC

bhfasdhjgdgsuyv wrote: post #54

hnick wrote: post #41

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I play games with people in their mid-20s and a few have let out "that's gay" as a synonym for something being bad. I don't think any of them would qualify as homophobic, it's just more a case of hearing something so much that it creeps into your lexicon and comes out by mistake sometimes in a moment of distraction or emotion. It took me a while to unlearn it myself because it was extremely common in the 90s at my sc…

They probably aren't explicitly homophobic, but it's disrespectful and a tiny bit homophobic to not adjust your language a tiny bit, because it's obviously negatively impactful to gay people (not everyone, but I know it is to me).

Letterkenny had an awesome skit on this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjIUG2YN7Y8

Re: The Legend of GayBlade

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Post by bhfasdhjgdgsuyv » Sat, Sep 05, 2020, 4:00 AM UTC

RalfWausE wrote: post #103

bhfasdhjgdgsuyv wrote: post #54

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They probably aren't explicitly homophobic, but it's disrespectful and a tiny bit homophobic to not adjust your language a tiny bit, because it's obviously negatively impactful to gay people (not everyone, but I know it is to me).

Perhaps i am just a stupid Neanderthal, but the recent urge to "adjust the language" is something i really don't like... i realize it is based on good intentions, but it feels to much like some orwellian newspeak in the making.

No one is forcing you. However, it's language that has historically been used to hurt people, so it helps to avoid it if you want to avoid bringing back those memories for people.

When I get called a fag, it reminds me of all the times I got my ass kicked for how I present myself. I won't force people to stop saying it, but I'll mention it and won't associate with them if they don't stop.

Re: The Legend of GayBlade

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Post by bhfasdhjgdgsuyv » Sat, Sep 05, 2020, 4:07 AM UTC

hnick wrote: post #57

bhfasdhjgdgsuyv wrote: post #54

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They probably aren't explicitly homophobic, but it's disrespectful and a tiny bit homophobic to not adjust your language a tiny bit, because it's obviously negatively impactful to gay people (not everyone, but I know it is to me).

I agree but everyone has moments of emotional weakness where things come out without thinking. It becomes more about breaking a habit so it doesn't happen unconsciously. Or apologising if it does happen. It can take a moment to realise, my original post said "bad/lame" because the use of "lame" was another popular one that took over as supposedly less offensive than "gay", but it too has the capacity to offend those…

I understand. "That's gay" was popular enough recently enough that I have some tolerance. I still bring it up though and don't appreciate if it's an ongoing problem they aren't trying to address (or are pretending to try to address).

Fag on the other hand I have very little tolerance for. It's a nasty enough word you don't really drop it accidentally unless you use it regularly in some communities (lots of gamers for instance).

Re: The Legend of GayBlade

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Post by bhfasdhjgdgsuyv » Sat, Sep 05, 2020, 4:15 AM UTC

foldr wrote: post #108

bhfasdhjgdgsuyv wrote: post #79

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It's part of HN's tradition of gaslighting victims of demographically-targeted violence by ignoring any kind of context and pedantically claiming "it couldn't possibly have been $bad_thing". Of course, because being contrarian is more important than learning about the history of LGBT abuse.

Very much this. Do you have an ubsubstantiated conspiracy theory about the evil machinations of bigcorp? Congratulations - upvotes for your wisdom. An actual report of your lived experience of homophobia/racism/sexism/whatever? Hmm, are you sure it's not just in your imagination?

It's nice to not know it's not _actually_ just my imagination haha.

Re: The Legend of GayBlade

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Post by bhfasdhjgdgsuyv » Sat, Sep 05, 2020, 4:16 AM UTC

Pfhreak wrote: post #88

bhfasdhjgdgsuyv wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's part of HN's tradition of gaslighting victims of demographically-targeted violence by ignoring any kind of context and pedantically claiming "it couldn't possibly have been $bad_thing". Of course, because being contrarian is more important than learning about the history of LGBT abuse.

Thank you for this. I expect you'll get down voted or flagged, but my experience as a queer person on hn had absolutely been full of exactly what you describe.

It started out that way (you might have noticed this is a throwaway), but it seems this resonated with people.