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The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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When I was in the service, Stars and Stripes was so censored that to call it journalism would be an overreach. It's not 1945 anymore. Being represented in print isn't worth much these days - especially by a propaganda rag.

You could write a thing and send it to someone. Now what do you have?

The US postal service? /s

Are you saying that Stars and Stripes would deliver mail / messages to soldiers? I'd like to hear more of what you were saying.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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It seems to be related to a recent poll of US troops on their preferred presidential candidate. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08... It seems Donny is trying to take out his frustration with lackluster polling on Star and Stripes , despite that not having been the publication that conducted the poll. It is a more widely read US armed forces publication, though. To note on the poll, officers…

The Republicans and the Administration are pissed because they ordered the military to break the black lives matters protests and the army told them to get stuffed. So they are throwing a tantrum because they always assumed they'd have the army to back them up and it turns out they don't.

It's not that I think you are wrong at all, but good Lord, I hope you are.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

#173
post #20

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It's worse than you can imagine. I once witnessed a defense client creating a $5 mil project with a defense contractor out of thin air, because they didn't want to lose the money at the end of the fiscal year (which was 3 months away). Overnight, the defense contractor assembled a team of 20 people that were on the bench, so they could bill for the project. 20 random people that had never worked together before, all…

Sounds like you witnessed federal contract fraud, which is a felony. Unfortunately there is no longer any good way to report this crime. Official whistleblower channels are compromised or ineffective, and going directly to the public... well, there are plenty of cautionary examples of how poorly that tends to go.

Well I never witnessed any government employee saying this. I just realized my language sounded like I did. Oops. I was in a (private sector) meeting where they relayed the situation.

So I wouldn’t say I witnessed it. I was called into a brainstorming session for “how can we spend this money? We need to come up with something quickly.”

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to be related to a recent poll of US troops on their preferred presidential candidate. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08... It seems Donny is trying to take out his frustration with lackluster polling on Star and Stripes , despite that not having been the publication that conducted the poll. It is a more widely read US armed forces publication, though. To note on the poll, officers…

The Republicans and the Administration are pissed because they ordered the military to break the black lives matters protests and the army told them to get stuffed. So they are throwing a tantrum because they always assumed they'd have the army to back them up and it turns out they don't.

Unless you've got a source for that, I think you're mistaken. The Army wouldn't operate on US soil, that sort of thing would be the job of the National Guard. The Posse Comitatus Act specifically forbids the US Army from doing that sort of thing. If you told me Trump is upset at the National Guard for this reason, I'd believe that. I think I recall reading headlines to that effect.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

#175

One thing I've always wondered about when it comes to the temporary nature of US presidential terms and their respective administrations - why does it seem like it's so much easier to dismantle things than to create them in the first place? Especially for things that took a substantial amount of time and effort to build, shouldn't we require much more scrutiny before considering an action that effectively dismantles/…

Based on the senators’ complaint mentioned elsewhere in the comments, it appears like the DoD may indeed be breaking the law here.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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"No good reason" is subjective. Was there any reason given? Looked at the article, but didn't see any. Perhaps it was cost? Does the Pentagon budget break out the cost of Stars & Stripes?

> Looked at the article, but didn't see any. Perhaps it was cost? Does the Pentagon budget break out the cost of Stars & Stripes? From the article: > The eagerness to kill Stars and Stripes is hard to fathom. As the senators note in their letter to Esper, the $15.5 million saved by eliminating the newspaper’s subsidy would have a “negligible impact” on the Pentagon’s $700 billion budget. That's 0.0022% of the Pentago…

> That's 0.0022% of the Pentagons budget, i.e. essentially nothing.

This is the wrong way to think of it. It's either a positive use of money or negative.

But on top of that simplicity, Ryan Air for instance asks employees to steal pens from hotels.

They are extremists, but they run some savings that would be so silly they are negative to create a culture.

This however seems political. Someone is trying to make someone else look bad.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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post #127
post #108

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*For leaking secrets to journalists

Ok, don't you think that is a pretty big qualifier to leave out? It also leads us to a question of what is a journalist? Reasonable people can look at Assange and see him as either a journalist or an agent of a foreign government.

It’s in the quote, except for “to journalists” which is in the article I pulled the quote from. I suppose I could have included the next two sentences.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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The Republicans and the Administration are pissed because they ordered the military to break the black lives matters protests and the army told them to get stuffed. So they are throwing a tantrum because they always assumed they'd have the army to back them up and it turns out they don't.

Unless you've got a source for that, I think you're mistaken. The Army wouldn't operate on US soil, that sort of thing would be the job of the National Guard. The Posse Comitatus Act specifically forbids the US Army from doing that sort of thing. If you told me Trump is upset at the National Guard for this reason, I'd believe that. I think I recall reading headlines to that effect.

One half of what you're demanding

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/03/opinion/tom-cotton-protes...

After that was published editor of The New York Times' editorial page James Bennet was forced out.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/07/media/james-bennet-new-york-t...

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

#179
post #81

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I think the argument is that simple numbers don't really mean much, especially when misrepresented. If you have an point to make, it should be correct. https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-bud... says that payroll taxes and corporate income tax (in 2015) together are about the same contribution to federal income as individual income taxes, which puts a factor of 2 the other way in your estimate.

Why are other source of government income relevant here?

Suppose personal income tax contributed 6% to federal spending, and other revenue sources were the rest.

Then only $1 million of a program which costs $15 million would come from the "average American".

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

#180

One thing I've always wondered about when it comes to the temporary nature of US presidential terms and their respective administrations - why does it seem like it's so much easier to dismantle things than to create them in the first place? Especially for things that took a substantial amount of time and effort to build, shouldn't we require much more scrutiny before considering an action that effectively dismantles/…

> why does it seem like it's so much easier to dismantle things than to create them in the first place?

This is just the nature of things. It’s easier to destroy a car than to build one. Same for houses, plants, animals... anything complex, really. Destruction is generally easier than creation.

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