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Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Piracy is a service issue.

I wish there was a service where I could donate money to the animators, composers, writers, etc for a movie. I want to pay them directly for their work. Trickle down be damned. Could also be nice if there was some sort of system where the people who actually worked on the film could decide who really deserves the money.

Comedians were doing pay what you'd like or other crowdfunded specials but then Netflix started buying them instead.

Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Awesome. Now we can see if the movie and media industry experience a correlated rise in profits and settle this question whether "piracy" damages these industries once and for all.

I wonder if we'll ever know, with all the Hollywood accounting that goes on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting

wouldn't it be more straight forward to just look at revenue. The weird Hollywood accounting doesn't really matter to the question of 'does piracy significantly affect purchases?.'

Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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What would people consider the ideal realistic system? Something fair to content creators, distributors, and consumers. I, personally, would like to be able to purchase one time "unlimited" licenses (like buying a book or a DVD) that can be easily validated by the publisher's web API and enable non-subscription content to be served by netflix/hulu/amazon/etc. To enable (for example) streaming an amazon show through n…

It is very strange that we have to emulate physical goods with music and videos. The underlying technology would allow copying with a marginal cost of zero. The problem of course is how to feed the artists and all the other people in the industry if we give out the content for free.

One thing that I believe doesn't work is a "culture flatrate" where you pay a fee and can access what you want. In the end, this is not much different from having a tax, and having the state pay the artists. And I really don't want the state to decide what is art and what not.

What I really think we have to do long term, and I'm totally serious, is to move to a post-capitalist society, and get rid of money and the requirement to do wage labor. I'm convinced there are many pressing problems - climate change, rising inequality, the fact that many people are overworked despite productivity increases - that we cannot easily solve in our current society. It's like our political system has collected too much technical debt.

I know, Joel Spolsky says you should never do a total rewrite, and I think this applies even more for your whole society :-) but I believe strongly we're in for a serious refactoring and core replacement. And the content industry is only one small symptome of that.

Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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I like that. I saw a cookie jar and I took one. I didn't bake them myself, and it's not my fault they stole your recipe and gave the cookies away for free.

Heh, your example completely skips the fact that someone went out and bought the ingredients, bought an oven, spent the time to prepare the dough, spent money on the electricity to bake the dough, spent the time to take it from the oven, bought a jar, put the artwork on the jar, rented a café, and finally placed the jar with the cookies on the display. So.... the smartass "just took a cookie" the hard worker just spe…

Somehow the industry booms (at least the ones controlling ownership and distribution), despite all these cookie monsters.

Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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It's much easier to pirate the content and have a single source of media than trying to figure out which pay service a show/movie is available on. 'Piracy' of tv/movies won't go away until that problem is solved.

I'm not blaming you as you aren't the one to set them in the first place, but the goal posts keep moving! Two decades post-Napster we finally have what everyone wanted all along: an easy, cheap way to watch almost every movie without leaving the couch / listen to almost every song from almost any device. But now it's not good enough unless it's literally every piece of content from a single origin 0_0

"almost" is doing a lot of work in that sentence, as is the word "cheap".

Paying for Amazon Prime, Netflix, Hulu, Disney+, and HBO Max and still not coming close to "almost every" movie isn't cheap.

And, yes, we want it from a single origin. It's not our fault that the movie/tv industry is a dumpster fire.

Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Awesome. Now we can see if the movie and media industry experience a correlated rise in profits and settle this question whether "piracy" damages these industries once and for all.

The problem is that "the industry" is not a monolith. There are big players with multiple revenue streams that are insulated from the ups and downs of consumer sales. There are smaller players down to individual artists who are just trying to make a living.

A better gauge might be the condition of the industry at the lower tiers, all the way down to some musician just trying to sell a few albums to augment their income. It's possible that the "free" content available from the top tier players helps keep the lower tier players from getting ahead in the business.

I realize it's not a perfect analogy, but I'm thinking about Microsoft in the 1980s. They made their money from OEM licenses and enterprise sales, while the "free" copies of their software erased any chance of competing with them in the consumer market.

Had they done this deliberately to discourage competition, the police would have come knocking at their door.

Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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These aren't new arguments, really... but when I steal a cookie from the cookie jar, there's one less cookie in the cookie jar. When I steal a movie on a torrent site, the copyright owner didn't lose a copy of the movie. One can argue that it represents an economic loss insofar as the person who stole it isn't going to buy a copy now, but a response you often hear to that is relatively few who pirate content would ha…

> When I steal a movie on a torrent site Is this the right thing to do? Is this something you should be doing? Is this something you feel you have the right to do? Remember that I didn't mention anything about economic loss.

>Is this the right thing to do? Is this something you should be doing? Is this something you feel you have the right to do?

Some philosophers (like Max Stirner) would argue that not only are those questions irrelevant, but that their whole basis (morality and right) are categories which become real and exert their influence only due to our own reification of them. That is to say, to someone unconvinced of morality (and in particular what other people say about morality), and further unconvinced by the legitimacy of the state and its opposition to the individual, the questions would be laughable if only it weren't so tragic that to many they extert their control over us and we let them.

Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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It's much easier to pirate the content and have a single source of media than trying to figure out which pay service a show/movie is available on. 'Piracy' of tv/movies won't go away until that problem is solved.

I'm not blaming you as you aren't the one to set them in the first place, but the goal posts keep moving! Two decades post-Napster we finally have what everyone wanted all along: an easy, cheap way to watch almost every movie without leaving the couch / listen to almost every song from almost any device. But now it's not good enough unless it's literally every piece of content from a single origin 0_0

A quick check on reelgood:

Arctic Air - Arctic Air Season 1 is not streaming nor available to rent or purchase.

jPod - jPod Season 1 is not streaming nor available to rent or purchase.

Being Erica - List several streaming services that have it, including Pluto TV, which is free/ad supported.

So three Canadian tv shows off the top of my head and there's only a 33% hit rate. That's not very good.

Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Would love to hear your best guess/rationalization for how nothing is being taken.

These aren't new arguments, really... but when I steal a cookie from the cookie jar, there's one less cookie in the cookie jar. When I steal a movie on a torrent site, the copyright owner didn't lose a copy of the movie. One can argue that it represents an economic loss insofar as the person who stole it isn't going to buy a copy now, but a response you often hear to that is relatively few who pirate content would ha…

What if you sneak into a movie theater to sit in a near-empty auditorium for a 2pm Tuesday matinee. Nobody has "lost" anything, as in your cookie jar example. Does that make it OK?
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