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Peter Thiel Believes the Future Belongs to College Dropouts

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Peter Thiel also wishes women couldn't vote. http://gawker.com/#!5231390/facebook-backer-wishes-women-cou...

Some context is extremely helpful.

Peter Thiel only believes democracy is instrumentally valuable. I.e., it is valuable only insofar as people vote for more freedom, and harmful when they don't [1]. He believes women vote against freedom. Thus, he believes women voting is harmful.

http://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/the-educa...

[1] The belief that democracy is valuable only when people vote for your preferred policies is not that uncommon. Witness, e.g., hostility by gay marriage proponents towards voters who oppose gay marriage.

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My first post on HN =]

Let me weight in on what I think are the pros and cons to higher education. (I go to a Canadian University so this is related to my experience in Canada)

Pros:

Life goals/direction - Growing up, going to university has definitely given me a direction and goal to peruse. How dangerous would it be if the younger generation had no direction, but simply just aspired to be an "entrepreneur"

Networks - University has given me access to a huge network of professors, established industry professionals (through events/networking sessions etc), role models and up-and-coming talents

Exposure - Exposure in terms of being exposed to different types fields, career options, co-op program is a +

Career Opportunity - Whether we like it or not, going to higher education and advertising that you go to a reputable school is a criteria for HR to weed out good candidates from the bad. Just showing that you can get into a better university says something about you.

Fundamental thinking/critical thinking skills - While uni has not taught me what I needed to know for my career it definitely has built the foundation.

Fun + social experiences

Cons:

Cost - ridiculous, in a recent convo with my friend he describe it to be a $40,000 party

Career learning - not there, I learned more from on-job training, reading blogs and interviewing industry professionals

Like-mindedness - esp with the management program, I find that the teaching is based on measuring units, quantifying experiences and not giving people the room to grow as artists. In the marketing field, you can't quantify everything, we are training too many scientist and not enough artists

Overall, I can't generalize that without higher education the younger generation will be lost for directions. There is definitely a lot of young talents who are already well developed into the senior years of their high school or even prior. But remember this is a confusing time and chaotic time for us. teens now days have so much more to worry about. Not everyone is made to be an entrepreneur, you have to give the opportunity to the right people. For the rest, it is just like giving wings to Icarus, he will fly too close to the sun and be burned.

Your thoughts?

Lichi

Re: Peter Thiel Believes the Future Belongs to College Dropouts

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Peter Thiel also wishes women couldn't vote. http://gawker.com/#!5231390/facebook-backer-wishes-women-cou...

Some context is extremely helpful. Peter Thiel only believes democracy is instrumentally valuable. I.e., it is valuable only insofar as people vote for more freedom, and harmful when they don't [1]. He believes women vote against freedom. Thus, he believes women voting is harmful. http://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/the-educa... [1] The belief that democracy is valuable only when people vote for your p…

*Peter Thiel's definition of freedom.

It's important to note that a lot of libertarians' ideas about freedom and pretty much everything else is comically out of step with how most people think. They think it is because they have stumbled on the magical answer to everything (the response to any problem facing society is a trivial "no government") and that everyone else is a blind idiot, when in fact they are an odd fringe that is unlike most other people.

Re: Peter Thiel Believes the Future Belongs to College Dropouts

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My first post on HN =] Let me weight in on what I think are the pros and cons to higher education. (I go to a Canadian University so this is related to my experience in Canada) Pros: Life goals/direction - Growing up, going to university has definitely given me a direction and goal to peruse. How dangerous would it be if the younger generation had no direction, but simply just aspired to be an "entrepreneur" Networks…

First, welcome to HN! As a quick aside, it's generally taboo to sign comments with things like your Twitter handle or personal URL -- feel free to throw them in your profile :).

Re: your comment, you're absolutely right that entrepreneurship is not for everyone, and that many people will benefit more from college than without. However, Thiel doesn't argue that everyone should dropout of college. Rather, he claims that the best and brightest don't necessarily need it, and would be better served with "freedom" from education.

Should we burn down Harvard? Definitely not. But you don't need it to be successful!

Re: Peter Thiel Believes the Future Belongs to College Dropouts

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some context is extremely helpful. Peter Thiel only believes democracy is instrumentally valuable. I.e., it is valuable only insofar as people vote for more freedom, and harmful when they don't [1]. He believes women vote against freedom. Thus, he believes women voting is harmful. http://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/the-educa... [1] The belief that democracy is valuable only when people vote for your p…

*Peter Thiel's definition of freedom. It's important to note that a lot of libertarians' ideas about freedom and pretty much everything else is comically out of step with how most people think. They think it is because they have stumbled on the magical answer to everything (the response to any problem facing society is a trivial "no government") and that everyone else is a blind idiot, when in fact they are an odd fr…

Of course Peter Thiel's opinion of politics will be informed of Peter Thiel's definition of freedom. The fact that it is out of step with how most people think (in particular, women and welfare beneficiaries) is precisely why Peter Thiel is pessimistic about democracy. This is explained in the short essay of his that I linked to.

Apart from attempts to lower Thiel's status, what value do you believe your comment adds?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some context is extremely helpful. Peter Thiel only believes democracy is instrumentally valuable. I.e., it is valuable only insofar as people vote for more freedom, and harmful when they don't [1]. He believes women vote against freedom. Thus, he believes women voting is harmful. http://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/the-educa... [1] The belief that democracy is valuable only when people vote for your p…

*Peter Thiel's definition of freedom. It's important to note that a lot of libertarians' ideas about freedom and pretty much everything else is comically out of step with how most people think. They think it is because they have stumbled on the magical answer to everything (the response to any problem facing society is a trivial "no government") and that everyone else is a blind idiot, when in fact they are an odd fr…

> they are an odd fringe that is unlike most other people.

Not to mention that if government actually did evaporate they likely wouldn't be so happy with the end result.

Re: Peter Thiel Believes the Future Belongs to College Dropouts

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My first post on HN =] Let me weight in on what I think are the pros and cons to higher education. (I go to a Canadian University so this is related to my experience in Canada) Pros: Life goals/direction - Growing up, going to university has definitely given me a direction and goal to peruse. How dangerous would it be if the younger generation had no direction, but simply just aspired to be an "entrepreneur" Networks…

First, welcome to HN! As a quick aside, it's generally taboo to sign comments with things like your Twitter handle or personal URL -- feel free to throw them in your profile :). Re: your comment, you're absolutely right that entrepreneurship is not for everyone, and that many people will benefit more from college than without. However, Thiel doesn't argue that everyone should dropout of college. Rather, he claims tha…

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