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The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by runbyfruity »

glitcher wrote: post #62

One thing I've always wondered about when it comes to the temporary nature of US presidential terms and their respective administrations - why does it seem like it's so much easier to dismantle things than to create them in the first place? Especially for things that took a substantial amount of time and effort to build, shouldn't we require much more scrutiny before considering an action that effectively dismantles/…

It's always easier to destroy than create. I mean, you can demolish a house in a few hours. This isn't new. Creation is hard. Nuance is hard. "How do we fix healthcare" is hard; "don't change anything ever" or even "dismantle the system" is easy.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by [deleted] »

liability wrote: post #103
matt_kantor wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> https://www.stripes.com/news/us/trump-denies-reports-that-he... > A few days ago they also ran a story about a poll showing Trump lagging Biden among the military. Thanks to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24375564

It may well be retaliatory, but not for that specific article/poll. The Trump administration proposed defunding Stars and Stripes back in February. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/the-stars-... > In February, the Trump administration proposed eliminating all of the publication’s federal support in 2021. That’s more than $15 million a year, about half its budget. “I can’t think of a graver threat to…

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Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by Finnucane »

ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #133
Finnucane wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And in addition, Vindman wasn’t prosecuted for leaking secrets. He was fired in retribution for giving testimony before Congress, a completely legal thing to do.

EDIT I misunderstood the post -

It’s unethical to report on a violation of ethics? That makes no sense.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by klyrs »

liability wrote: post #103
matt_kantor wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> https://www.stripes.com/news/us/trump-denies-reports-that-he... > A few days ago they also ran a story about a poll showing Trump lagging Biden among the military. Thanks to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24375564

It may well be retaliatory, but not for that specific article/poll. The Trump administration proposed defunding Stars and Stripes back in February. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/the-stars-... > In February, the Trump administration proposed eliminating all of the publication’s federal support in 2021. That’s more than $15 million a year, about half its budget. “I can’t think of a graver threat to…

Oops, well spotted. He's still a tin-pot dictator rabidly against the press, but this particular correlation doesn't seem to be causative.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by Balgair »

krick wrote: post #125

The link is the usual... stuff, so it's obvious why I cannot treat seriously any words of this "opinion contributor". So I don't have anything better than to ask HN: for those unaware of the situation, what can be considered the real reason to shut down this newspaper? It seems like unusual thing to do, and considering the circumstances will surely cause some discontent (and, what's more importantly, if I'm not mista…

It seems to be related to a recent poll of US troops on their preferred presidential candidate.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08...

It seems Donny is trying to take out his frustration with lackluster polling on Star and Stripes, despite that not having been the publication that conducted the poll. It is a more widely read US armed forces publication, though.

To note on the poll, officers would rather have another Commander in Chief by about a 3-2 margin.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by Balgair »

vandyswa wrote: post #25
martythemaniak wrote: post #14

It seems there's a very simple reason. https://www.stripes.com/news/us/trump-denies-reports-that-he... A few days ago they also ran a story about a poll showing Trump lagging Biden among the military.

Ah, thank you. I was pretty sure it would be something like this, but couldn't find details anywhere else.

What makes it all the more frustrating is that Stars and Stripes didn't conduct the poll, they just reported on it. The poll was conducted by Military Times with Syracuse University.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/pentagon-congress/2020/08...

To note in that poll, ~60% of officers would like to have another Commander in Chief.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by pwinnski »

disown wrote: post #148
Finnucane wrote: post #27

"Stars and Stripes embodies that most American of values: the right to speak truth to power." Which is the last the thing current administration wants anyone to be able to do.

Stars and Stripes is a government ( DoD ) newspaper. How does it speak truth to power when it is a pentagon run entity?

It definitely is more pro-military than average, but it has done a surprisingly good job of maintaining editorial independence. It most certainly is independent from White House control, if not DoD control.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by ntsplnkv2 »

Finnucane wrote: post #153
ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

EDIT I misunderstood the post -

It’s unethical to report on a violation of ethics? That makes no sense.

I was confused by the wording - the post seemed like it was saying that it was legal to fire vindman or okay - but I just misread it.

Re: The Pentagon has ordered Stars and Stripes to shut down

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Post by ihumanable »

liability wrote: post #146
ihumanable wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a number of theories that could explain this. Broadly speaking, small-c conservatism, hold the following central tenets "...tradition, organic society, hierarchy, authority, and property rights." ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatism , I know this is a wikipedia link, it is sourced to an actual text which doesn't appear to be online and so is not conducive to hyperlinking). It could be that their pre…

These are fair points and food for thought. It still seems to me that the DNC platform tends to be more coherent/consistent. The RNC platform seems frequently 'schizophrenic' in comparison, but their voters seem willing to overlook or ignore various things other members of their party are saying. In other words, the christian theocrats pretend the libertarians don't exist, and vice versa. Or those that want to cut go…

Thanks for the civil discussion, a bit of a rare gem when discussing politics :D
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