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Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Post by srtjstjsj »

probably_wrong wrote: post #22
paulcole wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When I steal a movie on a torrent site Is this the right thing to do? Is this something you should be doing? Is this something you feel you have the right to do? Remember that I didn't mention anything about economic loss.

> Is this the right thing to do? Is this something you should be doing? People have said it better than me, but in short: Disney and friends have legally stolen public domain from all of us and erected a barrier between us and our human right to access to our culture. I therefore consider it my moral right to take back what should be mine - I may not have the means to buy the laws that would make it legal, but I have…

So you only pirate Disney?

Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Post by srtjstjsj »

colinmhayes wrote: post #29
paulcole wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When I steal a movie on a torrent site Is this the right thing to do? Is this something you should be doing? Is this something you feel you have the right to do? Remember that I didn't mention anything about economic loss.

If you weren't going to buy it anyway, yes it's absolutely the right thing to do. Your utility increases, nobody elses decreases. Total utility increases therefore it is ethical.

As long as fairness has no utility for anyone.

Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Post by fortran77 »

paulcole wrote: post #4
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #2

One of the biggest successes of the music and movie industry is getting everyone to call unlicensed distribution “piracy”. It equates a completely non-violent act with a very violent act that was once a capital crime.

I too avoid calling it piracy. Instead I call it "taking something you know you're not supposed to take." Edit: Really love these downvotes. Shows that people who engage in this act would rather have it called piracy because it's easier to brush off than having to look in the mirror and admit they're obviously doing something wrong. Sure they can mangle definitions of common words and perform incredible mental gymnas…

I don't understand how all the people here, who all want to be the next Bill Gates and make a ton of money selling software, services, or Juiceros, think it's "ok" to steal content. (The same content that they probably deny they watch because it's not hip enough.)

Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

praptak wrote: post #7
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #2

One of the biggest successes of the music and movie industry is getting everyone to call unlicensed distribution “piracy”. It equates a completely non-violent act with a very violent act that was once a capital crime.

The perception of piracy has changed though, not without help of the content industry. I bet they would prefer us to call it "terrorism" nowadays.

There have already been nudges into that direction:

https://torrentfreak.com/uk-government-video-urges-advertise...

Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Post by ValentineC »

tenebrisalietum wrote: post #3

Awesome. Now we can see if the movie and media industry experience a correlated rise in profits and settle this question whether "piracy" damages these industries once and for all.

I wonder if we'll ever know, with all the Hollywood accounting that goes on: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_accounting

Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Post by GiorgioG »

rhino369 wrote: post #28
GiorgioG wrote: post #19

It's much easier to pirate the content and have a single source of media than trying to figure out which pay service a show/movie is available on. 'Piracy' of tv/movies won't go away until that problem is solved.

If cost wasn't an issue, I don't think that's really true. My friend uses sonarr + usenet and its not as easy as amazon/google/itunes/redbox/fandago rentals or purchases on a roku.

Cost isn't an issue for me (I pay for a bunch of these services already) - I much prefer the alternative where I can open up Plex and find everything I want there in one place. Shows shift from service to service as licenses expire, etc...it's a huge pain in the ass as a consumer.

Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Post by novok »

pgrote wrote: post #27
GiorgioG wrote: post #19

It's much easier to pirate the content and have a single source of media than trying to figure out which pay service a show/movie is available on. 'Piracy' of tv/movies won't go away until that problem is solved.

I think that problem has been solved for the most part. https://reelgood.com/ and other services are excellent for it. To me, the real issue is finding movies/tv shows where you cannot buy or rent them. Amazingly, it is still an issue in this world. I would love to see The Bob Mathias Story from 1954. It was created by Allied Artists that has been bought and sold a few times ending up at ViacomCBS. Through many weeks…

oh thanks for the link, i've been looking for something that replaced canistreamit

Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Post by novok »

GiorgioG wrote: post #36
rhino369 wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If cost wasn't an issue, I don't think that's really true. My friend uses sonarr + usenet and its not as easy as amazon/google/itunes/redbox/fandago rentals or purchases on a roku.

Cost isn't an issue for me (I pay for a bunch of these services already) - I much prefer the alternative where I can open up Plex and find everything I want there in one place. Shows shift from service to service as licenses expire, etc...it's a huge pain in the ass as a consumer.

Apple TV is actually pretty good for that. You voice search for a title and it tells you which apps provide that title.

Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Post by XMPPwocky »

srtjstjsj wrote: post #32
colinmhayes wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you weren't going to buy it anyway, yes it's absolutely the right thing to do. Your utility increases, nobody elses decreases. Total utility increases therefore it is ethical.

As long as fairness has no utility for anyone.

I can't figure out what you mean here - could you explain more about what fairness has to do with this?

Re: Scene bust triggered historic drop in ‘pirate’ releases

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Post by ssklash »

paulcole wrote: post #4
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #2

One of the biggest successes of the music and movie industry is getting everyone to call unlicensed distribution “piracy”. It equates a completely non-violent act with a very violent act that was once a capital crime.

I too avoid calling it piracy. Instead I call it "taking something you know you're not supposed to take." Edit: Really love these downvotes. Shows that people who engage in this act would rather have it called piracy because it's easier to brush off than having to look in the mirror and admit they're obviously doing something wrong. Sure they can mangle definitions of common words and perform incredible mental gymnas…

The media companies have done an end run around the very foundation of how computers work in an attempt to keep from changing their 20th century business model. All digital data is a copy. It's fundamental to how computers work. That is terribly inconvenient for a business model that prefers to sell physical objects, but as computer science doesn't allow for that, they instead chose to reframe the issue in moral terms ("You wouldn't download a car!") and use tremendous lobbying power to force that view into law. Reasonable people can argue about creators being paid for their work and how digital distribution plays into that, but don't try to take modern technology/physical reality and impose your more convenient business model on it and on everyone else.

People going to prison for copying movies is disgusting and immoral.

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