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Zuckerberg: this election is not going to be business as usual

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Re: Zuckerberg: this election is not going to be business as usual

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Post by alphachloride »

doktorhladnjak wrote: post #40
alphachloride wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me, Facebook is unquestionably a net positive value. I get to keep tabs on friends without actively having to reach out. So people don't become strangers over time. I can discover events around me and expand my social circle. I can be start a business with a free web presence and attract customers. The downsides that are mentioned are deteriorating discourse, misinformation, false expectations and social pressure…

Unquestionably? How many of those "friends" that you keep tabs on have you talked to recently? And I don't mean leaving a comment or reading about their lives. One of the most dangerous negative effects of Facebook is that it makes people _feel_ socially connected to someone when they really have no social interaction or connection at all.

Yes, unquestionably it is a net positive for me. I have talked to a small minority of my friends that I keep tabs on. Without facebook, I would have talked to an even smaller number.

I don't see how the number of chats I have is an exclusive measure of value of that platform. That is but one metric.

Re: Zuckerberg: this election is not going to be business as usual

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Post by 6510 »

bvanderveen wrote: post #14

So when can we address the elephant in the room and admit plainly that Facebook has net negative value for humanity and if Zuckerberg were a moral agent and not an alien lizard king he would have years ago liquidated the thing and imputed its net assets to the shareholders?

True but conditionally: I blame the Facebook on programmers not delivering these puny tools to the public. We collectively didn't get much further than the blogroll. Sharing something was done with idiotic bookmarklets until firefox (I think it was) sentenced them into the void.

For me personally the best "joke" (I think it turned out to be) was to propose freenode profile pages and friends lists. (IRC 3.0!) The mere suggestion made the nerds really angry. When I realized it was a joke I did what all comedians do and added additional puns like putting advertisement on the profiles. Safe to say my development effort was as bad as the response.

Re: Zuckerberg: this election is not going to be business as usual

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Post by Lineup »

alphachloride wrote: post #35
bvanderveen wrote: post #14

So when can we address the elephant in the room and admit plainly that Facebook has net negative value for humanity and if Zuckerberg were a moral agent and not an alien lizard king he would have years ago liquidated the thing and imputed its net assets to the shareholders?

For me, Facebook is unquestionably a net positive value. I get to keep tabs on friends without actively having to reach out. So people don't become strangers over time. I can discover events around me and expand my social circle. I can be start a business with a free web presence and attract customers. The downsides that are mentioned are deteriorating discourse, misinformation, false expectations and social pressure…

Right! And that's really a great point, it can be a positive for individuals. Except that for society it has negative value. This is like opening a mine, extracting all the resources, and leaving behind a poisonous scab on the earth. (Not coincidentally the way I picture MZ.)

Re: Zuckerberg: this election is not going to be business as usual

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Post by khamba »

snowwrestler wrote: post #37
skee0083 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don't have a democracy. It's a republic. Basically a fake democracy.

"Democracy" and "republic" are orthogonal. Republic tells you who is sovereign: the people--as opposed to a monarchy. Democracy tells you how decisions are made: by voting--as opposed to a dictatorship. You can have a democracy that is not a republic: Great Britain. And you can have a republic that is not a democracy: North Korea. The U.S. is a democratic republic.

A better example of a Republic that is not a democracy is Vatican City.

Re: Zuckerberg: this election is not going to be business as usual

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Post by strombye »

titzer wrote: post #30

> and I generally believe the best antidote to bad speech is more speech ... > We've already strengthened our enforcement against militias, conspiracy networks like QAnon, and other groups that could be used to organize violence or civil unrest in the period after the elections. We have already removed thousands of these groups and removed even more from being included in our recommendations and search results. We wi…

Almost like his first statement isn’t even true (which it isn’t).

Re: Zuckerberg: this election is not going to be business as usual

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

cblconfederate wrote: post #27

With all this navel-gazing in american social media that lasts for months and months, i wonder why other media don't jump into the opportunity to steal their international users. Honestly the talk of US politics is excessive and disproportionate even for a supeerpower, and it's spilling over so much and everywhere that it has become repulsive.

I'm not sure what you're referring to. Most Facebook users don't read Zuckerberg's posts, and won't hear much about US politics unless their friends choose to discuss it.

Re: Zuckerberg: this election is not going to be business as usual

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

titzer wrote: post #30

> and I generally believe the best antidote to bad speech is more speech ... > We've already strengthened our enforcement against militias, conspiracy networks like QAnon, and other groups that could be used to organize violence or civil unrest in the period after the elections. We have already removed thousands of these groups and removed even more from being included in our recommendations and search results. We wi…

That doesn't seem fair. There's a clear distinction to be made between stating bad points of view and encouraging political violence.

Re: Zuckerberg: this election is not going to be business as usual

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Post by rasz »

jameslk wrote: post #39
bvanderveen wrote: post #14

So when can we address the elephant in the room and admit plainly that Facebook has net negative value for humanity and if Zuckerberg were a moral agent and not an alien lizard king he would have years ago liquidated the thing and imputed its net assets to the shareholders?

The personal attack isn't necessary to communicate your point.

>They "trust me"

>Dumb fucks.

Re: Zuckerberg: this election is not going to be business as usual

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Post by cblconfederate »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #46
cblconfederate wrote: post #27

With all this navel-gazing in american social media that lasts for months and months, i wonder why other media don't jump into the opportunity to steal their international users. Honestly the talk of US politics is excessive and disproportionate even for a supeerpower, and it's spilling over so much and everywhere that it has become repulsive.

I'm not sure what you're referring to. Most Facebook users don't read Zuckerberg's posts, and won't hear much about US politics unless their friends choose to discuss it.

I don't mean just this post. Users are being exposed to policies related to US elections through warnings, limits to how often they can post, limits in messenger, ban of specific content, popup messages etc etc. It's impossible to miss
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