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Small nuclear reactors: tiny NuScale reactor gets safety approval

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Re: Small nuclear reactors: tiny NuScale reactor gets safety approval

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You'd still need a heat exchanger at some point, and you want a lot of surface area and thin walls for that.

Random thought experiment -- why not just drop it in the middle of a lifeless desert, forget about heat exchangers, and just let it slowly melt its way down through the crust of the earth? Assuming it went straight down and into the mantle, it would probably not impact the ecosystem.

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Re: Small nuclear reactors: tiny NuScale reactor gets safety approval

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What's the maneuvering ability of a coal plant? I looked at the article, but didn't see it.

Gas turbines are the ones that ramp the fastest and are used to handle dynamic peaky loads. Nuclear/coal are generally used as the baseline power because they're more efficient.

Fastest is a coal/Gas/Oil fired Steam Turbine driven power station sitting at full pressure sitting as spinning reserve

Re: Small nuclear reactors: tiny NuScale reactor gets safety approval

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post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd still need a heat exchanger at some point, and you want a lot of surface area and thin walls for that.

Random thought experiment -- why not just drop it in the middle of a lifeless desert, forget about heat exchangers, and just let it slowly melt its way down through the crust of the earth? Assuming it went straight down and into the mantle, it would probably not impact the ecosystem.

brb inventing teleportation

Re: Small nuclear reactors: tiny NuScale reactor gets safety approval

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So, what's the size of one of these tings? small? how small is small? Tiny? how tiny is tiny?

Each containment, vessel which produces 50MW of electric power, can fit on a truck. Each site might contain up to 12 separate reactors. That was basically the design constraint so the can be manufactured off site and shipped as one unit.

A regional power company might seek permitting at 10-20 locations. If some locations didn't get a permit or if other locations proved to be uneconomical to produce power at the time of construction, they could just build at the sites they chose. Basically takes the two phase pre-construction permitting and post-construction operating permit which has been killing nuclear power and streamlines it. Because the designs are standard and modular they will be pre-approved to operate.

Re: Small nuclear reactors: tiny NuScale reactor gets safety approval

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Article gave absolutely no indication of its dimensions. How "tiny" is it exactly?

Maybe tiny refers to the power output. The article says it makes 50 megawatts. Compare that to a nuclear plant near me which has two reactors that each generate 1280 megawatts. So it would take about 25 of these to equal the power output of a traditional nuclear reactor.

They are intended to replace small coal plants out West where coal is the only viable option for baseline load.

Re: Small nuclear reactors: tiny NuScale reactor gets safety approval

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post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd still need a heat exchanger at some point, and you want a lot of surface area and thin walls for that.

Random thought experiment -- why not just drop it in the middle of a lifeless desert, forget about heat exchangers, and just let it slowly melt its way down through the crust of the earth? Assuming it went straight down and into the mantle, it would probably not impact the ecosystem.

Wouldn’t be particularly helpful for power generation since the salt needs to be cooled by water to create the steam to make the power.

Re: Small nuclear reactors: tiny NuScale reactor gets safety approval

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From the article: "In the event of any runaway reactor event, NuScale says, the reactor quenches itself in its pool, making it 'passively safe.'”

So what happens when an earthquake causes a rupture of the pool barrier and all the water leaks out?

Re: Small nuclear reactors: tiny NuScale reactor gets safety approval

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We could dump it into the ocean and not worry about it. There's so much cooling capacity and radiation shielding in the oceans alone that we'd never run out of space, so all of the current disposal strategies are way above and beyond what's needed. Containment is solved problem. It's important to note that other energy types also produce waste. For example, coal ash is incredibly toxic and hard to dispose of, and we…

> We could dump it in the ocean and not worry about it This is the things that make me cringe when I see this people saying again "This time will be different, we promise". Look mum, radioactive tornadoes coming from the ocean...

Do you not understand how water dampens nuclear reactions, or how large the ocean is?

Re: Small nuclear reactors: tiny NuScale reactor gets safety approval

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Source for that plan B? Curious what they are telling their investors, then.

"In answer to a question I posed to Nuscale at the town hall we have learned that the plan to save costs by fabricating the modules at a remote factory and shipping them to the Idaho site has been abandoned. The artful response to my question said that Nuscale engaged with approximately 40 … pressure vessel fabricators worldwide and … determined that Nuscale will use existing factories … in lieu of building its own f…

Thanks.

I'm guessing that official line, accurate or not, is future larger deployments may be constructed differently, and this reneging is just for the initial run.

Re: Small nuclear reactors: tiny NuScale reactor gets safety approval

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You're underplaying the danger and overplaying the value. Who exactly is investing in this "green gold"? If it's so valuable why does no one actually want it, and why is the DoE stuck with half a trillion liability?

> Who exactly is investing in this "green gold"? France[0] > If it's so valuable why does no one actually want it, I mean France does... we actually gave them the tech. The reason we stopped is more political. But more people do this than just France, but they are the biggest example since 17% of their entire grid is powered from recycled nuclear. The other reason we don't do it is that it is just cheaper to buy more…

France's program is effectively government run, and heavily in debt. I cannot find indication that reprocessing is profitable in the short term, but obviously it has advantages in the long term by reducing waste. That said it does not eliminate the waste issue, nor is France buying up spent waste from neighbors to cash in, nor are they dumping it in the ocean or children's playgrounds (it is still extremely harmful).

I think it would take the deep pockets and standardization of a government-run program to truly see nuclear be done properly, but I doubt there is appetite for a similarly run program in the USA.

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