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Re: Nissan.com (is not owned by Nissan the car company)

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Post by alasdair_ »

30minAdayHN wrote: post #8
30minAdayHN wrote: post #5

I remember reading the story by the domain owner how nissan tried to screw him with law suit. This is pretty old case and I wonder why it popped up to the top: https://www.digest.com/Big_Story.php

> FEBRUARY - 2008, Ruling on Attorneys' Fees and Final Judgment. The court has issued a Ruling[1] addressing these remaining issues: 1. Nissan Motor is NOT entitled to attorneys' fees. 2. Nissan Computer is entitled to cost under rule 68. The court ordered NMC to pay $58,000 as cost under rule 68, this is less than 2% of what the cost was to defend this case. [1] Ruling: https://www.digest.com/images/FinalJudgment200…

>this is less than 2% of what the cost was to defend this case

Which is ridiculous. The whole point of a legal system is to ensure that even the weak can exist without being bullied by the strong.

Re: Nissan.com (is not owned by Nissan the car company)

#92

Post by ethbr0 »

ajkjk wrote: post #20
woofie11 wrote: post #16

Uzi Nissan just died of COVID19. It will be interesting to see if his relatives stick to his principals, and hold onto the web site in memory of him, or make millions and sell to Nissan. I hope they hold on. I predict someone will eventually sell, though. Principled people are few and far between. https://www.autonews.com/automakers-suppliers/uzi-nissan-who...

Well, selling a website because you don't personally care very much about owning it doesn't necessarily mean someone is unprincipled. Most people don't have a principle of being more attached to their name than millions of dollars. I certainly don't!

The backstory [1] is than Nissan spent years being corporate jackasses to this guy in international legal systems, when he refused to sell.

A few million for something I don't care about? Sure!

A few million foregone to piss off a corporation who wronged a relative and tried to steal what was rightfully his? No question: nope. And I'd dedicate the page to reasons you shouldn't buy a Nissan.

[1] https://jalopnik.com/uzi-nissan-spent-8-years-fighting-the-c...

Re: Nissan.com (is not owned by Nissan the car company)

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Post by prepend »

CarbyAu wrote: post #70
JackFr wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many people find corporations more democratic than an aristocracy. I’d rather have AMZN on NASDAQ than have Lord Bezos become a trillionaire.

Your second sentence, what's the difference? Isn't he likely going to be the next trillionaire anyway, with or without the title of Lord?

Even random is better than divine right, I think.

Having an aristocratic title that passes down is much worse than some rich dude leaving money because that lasts hundreds of years. And gets taxed.

Re: Nissan.com (is not owned by Nissan the car company)

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Post by ROARosen »

woofie11 wrote: post #16

Uzi Nissan just died of COVID19. It will be interesting to see if his relatives stick to his principals, and hold onto the web site in memory of him, or make millions and sell to Nissan. I hope they hold on. I predict someone will eventually sell, though. Principled people are few and far between. https://www.autonews.com/automakers-suppliers/uzi-nissan-who...

Selling it is not inherently bad. Especially since it seems they can use some financial help. There is a GoFundMe page to support his family.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/Uzi-Nissan

Re: Nissan.com (is not owned by Nissan the car company)

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Post by woofie11 »

philplckthun wrote: post #81
CarbyAu wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your second sentence, what's the difference? Isn't he likely going to be the next trillionaire anyway, with or without the title of Lord?

Also is there some magical step once you’re a trillionaire? Surely at this point it doesn’t make a difference anymore exactly how rich the guy is.

Nope. There are classes among the ultrawealthy too:

* Lower-class ultrawealthy have billions on paper, but no liquidity. Think of a founder sitting on a pre-IPO unicorn.

* Jeff Bezos is lower-middle-class ultrawealthy. He has wealth, but he can't use it, since it's locked up in Amazon. If he sold it all, Amazon stock would collapse.

* Bill Gates is middle-class rich. He has "free" wealth which he can do with as he pleases.

* Upper-class wealthy have wealth in political structures (think Saudi princes for a visible example, or low-key formerly noble European families who hold massive amounts of land). Their wealth is now structured so it can survive economic collapses, wars, and so on, and they can command real power through global political influence.

It's really about how much you can use your wealth for power and influence.

Re: Nissan.com (is not owned by Nissan the car company)

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Post by woofie11 »

angst_ridden wrote: post #63
woofie11 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My experience is that lots of people often secretly sympathize. Including the lawyers involved. It's pretty easy to throw a case.

I had zero power or influence in that situation. I probably wouldn't even have been the person to update the web server configuration if they had got the domain (although, in those days, there were a lot of static HTML pages and Flash content that would have needed updating).

You didn't, but I'm just saying others involved did. I'm not sure much of anyone involved on the Nissan side actually cared if Nissan won, except for maybe one or two very senior leaders in Japan, and perhaps not even that.

It makes a big difference in a fight.

Re: Nissan.com (is not owned by Nissan the car company)

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Post by CarbyAu »

prepend wrote: post #93
CarbyAu wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your second sentence, what's the difference? Isn't he likely going to be the next trillionaire anyway, with or without the title of Lord?

Even random is better than divine right, I think. Having an aristocratic title that passes down is much worse than some rich dude leaving money because that lasts hundreds of years. And gets taxed.

I also disagree with hereditary titles.

But in a practical sense, I also don't think the next generation of Bezo's are going to be anything but obscenely wealthy. And the generation after that. And after that.

While the hereditary title was a bad idea, they also had turnover too.

So I think it is much of a muchness.

Re: Nissan.com (is not owned by Nissan the car company)

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Post by jackvalentine »

coronadisaster wrote: post #99
jackvalentine wrote: post #66

If you go to nissanusa.com now, they're selling a Sentra with the tag 'Refuse to compromise'.

what's your point?

It's an amusing reflection on both Nissan and Uzi's sticking to their positions.
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