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Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by bjornsing »

svnpenn wrote: post #39

If you know Daniel, you know that this is one of the stupidest things the US government could possibly do regarding immigration. Daniel is literally one of the most brilliant computer programmers alive today. He created cURL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CURL A program so ubiquitous that it comes preinstalled on every mainstream OS, even Windows. It has bindings for Rust, D, PHP and God knows how many other language…

> Daniel is literally one of the most brilliant computer programmers alive today.

I’m sure he’s a great guy and he surely doesn’t deserve this treatment, but “one of the most brilliant computer programmers alive today”?

Donald Knuth is one of the most brilliant computer programmers alive today... If Daniels claim to fame is curl then I’d say that makes him good at forecasting demand for an open source utility, or something along those lines.

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Post by wang_li »

CamTin wrote: post #50
vageli wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> > The resources in the US are simply too scarce to support unfettered immigration. > I fundamentally disagree with you, but I’m interested in hearing your viewpoint. Is there any country with unfettered immigration?

The United States before 1924 for one. Passports and travel documents didn't really exist at all until Napoleonic-ish times and weren't widespread until about WWI. I personally feel that defining "citizen" in any other way than "people who are currently living here" is a form of apartheid and antithetical to our constitution.

Or in 1882 when Congress passed the Chinese Exclusion Act.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by wang_li »

srtjstjsj wrote: post #80
CamTin wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The United States before 1924 for one. Passports and travel documents didn't really exist at all until Napoleonic-ish times and weren't widespread until about WWI. I personally feel that defining "citizen" in any other way than "people who are currently living here" is a form of apartheid and antithetical to our constitution.

Part of why immigration law is so confusing and contradictory is that the framers of the Constitution had no concept of someone living in a country (with intent to stay) and not being a citizen. Even slaves and women were considered citizens.

They definitely did have an idea of people living here who were not citizens. Thus the Naturalization Act of 1790.

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Post by nine_zeros »

foolfoolz wrote: post #56
jacobwilliamroy wrote: post #53

The U.S. has a brain drain problem. This is what I was trying to explain to all my friends who jumped ship after the 2016 presidential election. The only way to save the U.S. is for all the good people to stay but "noooooooooooooooo", all the smart people wanted to run off to canada or germany or whatever. Please come back. It's getting really bad.

your bubble does not represent reality. the u. s. is and has been the destination for brain drain for decades. and our decades long green card application list shows it’s not going anywhere

Things have changed. Young budding engineers, researchers, medical professionals and others are actively choosing not to come any longer. This has rippling effects. Once this cohort settles into their lives in whatever country, they will be less inclined to come to the US.

It's not too hard to imagine. Serious people with kids and families will never come to a place where they are harassed or their lives can be uprooted by a bureaucratic process abruptly.

Things were different until a few years ago and all the immigrants and tech companies you see today are the rewards of seeds down earlier.

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Post by _qbjt »

MattyMc wrote: post #49

Canada is benefiting substantially from the recent US immigration policies. My Ai team at Microsoft Canada was stacked with talent, all immigrants, and most expressed to me that they would have “normally gone to the US.” I don’t have to remind this community of the laundry list of tech giants started by immigrants. However, if anyone outside the US is reading this we’d love to have you in Canada. Come here, please.

Are other countries even allowing US citizens in right now? It was my understanding that we’re pretty much banned from the rest of the world due to our batshit insane Covid response.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by nine_zeros »

dylan604 wrote: post #32
Havoc wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I am a strong supporter of the current administration's restrictions on immigration. He's visiting a conference not immigrating.

Just get a projector and let him present via webcast. Not sure I'd want to risk coming to the US if the authorities might detain me for something I did as a teenager. (not saying this individual did that, but example.)

Sorry he won't webcast. Americans can buy tickets and go to his country if they wish to be among smart peers.

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Post by rurp »

awalton wrote: post #76
dwheeler wrote: post #4

This is absurd. I'm a US citizen, so I'll contact my Congressman to have his staff look into it. I don't have any special power, any US citizen can contact their congressman, but maybe that will kick-start something.

Unless you're a billionaire who can actually get a Congressperson on the phone, you're burning cycles. They've got an army of staff that do nothing but write stock replies, print and sign documents with stamps and mail them back to constituents. That's what involvement in our government has become in America - a bunch of people shouting into an endless void, and the people in power doing more or less whatever fits th…

> They've got an army of staff that do nothing but write stock replies, print and sign documents with stamps and mail them back to constituents.

While this is certainly true and billionaires have far more sway than a random citizen, I don't think it's quite as dire as you say. I've heard from multiple people who work in politics that letters like these are tracked by the staff and the tallies considered by the representative. Which all makes some sense because for every person motivated to write a letter there are likely hundreds or thousands who feel the same but didn't bother to write.

I wouldn't spend a bunch of time writing a finely crafted letter, but a short personal note sent to a Congressperson is very quick process and has some chance of mattering. I've done this a handful of times and there's usually a form on their website that makes it all quite easy.

Citizen letters aren't going to counteract major lobbyists, but a lot of issues that Congress handles don't really have entrenched financial interests on either side. It's in an elected reps self interest to keep their constituents happy and scoring some easy wins in response to citizen complaints is well within their wheelhouse.

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Post by ralph84 »

nathansoz wrote: post #67
ralph84 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you need to replace population? Is Japan really that bad of a place? And Japan's population has been in the 120-130 million range for the last 35 years, so it's not like there's been a huge swing either way.

Japan has had issues with finding workers to support their elderly population. No, it isn't a bad place. But yes, there are issues to solve that come with an aging population and a shrinking population.

And yet Japan has the second-longest life expectancy in the world. The "we need open borders or we'll end up like Japan" argument just doesn't seem very strong when Japan does well in most quality-of-life metrics.

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Post by refurb »

nathansoz wrote: post #31
konbaji wrote: post #19

I am a strong supporter of the current administration's restrictions on immigration. The resources in the US are simply too scarce to support unfettered immigration. Moreover, we need less "white immigrants" to come here in order to maintain diversity.

This is just... wrong? We want smart people here in the US. We should poach them and entice them to come here by all reasonable measures. Plus, people aren't having kids like they used to. So you need to replace population somehow. See also: Japan.

We want smart people here in the US

Agreed. But ~90% of all permanent residencies approved have nothing to do with education or employment. It's just family reunification.

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Post by refurb »

srtjstjsj wrote: post #82
konbaji wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but I’m interested in hearing your viewpoint. Given my downvotes it seems others here are not so interested. Nevertheless, I will give you an example. Housing. I am a bay area native and through my lifetime I have seen certain immigrants from Europe and South Asia, push up the cost of housing. Those tech H1B workers only serve to exacerbate this issue. I can no longer afford to buy a property unless I work in tech…

Why do you feel entitled to live in the bay area? Why not move to India or Nevada?

India? Well probably because he's not an Indian citizen?
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