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Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by nathansoz »

konbaji wrote: post #19

I am a strong supporter of the current administration's restrictions on immigration. The resources in the US are simply too scarce to support unfettered immigration. Moreover, we need less "white immigrants" to come here in order to maintain diversity.

This is just... wrong? We want smart people here in the US. We should poach them and entice them to come here by all reasonable measures.

Plus, people aren't having kids like they used to. So you need to replace population somehow. See also: Japan.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by dylan604 »

Havoc wrote: post #22
konbaji wrote: post #19

I am a strong supporter of the current administration's restrictions on immigration. The resources in the US are simply too scarce to support unfettered immigration. Moreover, we need less "white immigrants" to come here in order to maintain diversity.

>I am a strong supporter of the current administration's restrictions on immigration. He's visiting a conference not immigrating.

Just get a projector and let him present via webcast. Not sure I'd want to risk coming to the US if the authorities might detain me for something I did as a teenager. (not saying this individual did that, but example.)

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by vageli »

mdifrgechd wrote: post #27

The headline is odd, this has been going on for 870 days, as documented on his site. It looks like the last update is from 2019. The headline reads like he cant come in for the next 870 days.

> The headline is odd, this has been going on for 870 days, as documented on his site. It looks like the last update is from 2019. The headline reads like he cant come in for the next 870 days.

Maybe adding "for the last 870 days" would clarify it a bit.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by CarbyAu »

setpatchaddress wrote: post #5
lacker wrote: post #2

I’m sad to hear it. A lot of people are denied entry to the US for their entire lifetimes; I am sad for all of them.

It's getting to the point where one must ask why someone wealthy enough to fly internationally would want the hassle of entering the US. It's been bad since 9/11, but it's insane now. I can't imagine the TSA is treating people better than they did pre-Trump. Maybe things will be better next year.

A while back I liked the idea of visiting the US, buying a motorbike and travelling around a bit.

But since Trump I really feel on balance that I'd much rather go to many other places in the world instead.

Maybe not China/Russia though...

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by [deleted] »

q3k wrote: post #30
kortilla wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The network effects of intelligent people in your country are positive. On average, you want their voting behavior, their parenting skills, their risk assessments, their economic and tax contributions, and their cultural contributions.

It's the 'than anywhere else' part that I have an issue with. If that's the way you see it, you're doing this at the explicit detriment of everyone outside your country. There's ways to grow that 'intelligence pool' locally, without having to see the rest of the world as just a pool of immigration candidates. Not to mention, just because someone travels to the US doesn't mean they want to actually immigrate there...

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Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by mistrial9 »

kortilla wrote: post #23
q3k wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'd much rather have Daniel's brain here in the US than anywhere else. This sentence strikes me as very odd, and I can't quite put my finger on as to why. Like - why? Why does it matter? Is this some sort of competition? Is this like poaching talent into your company? Do you feel pride from sharing a territory with someone important?

The network effects of intelligent people in your country are positive. On average, you want their voting behavior, their parenting skills, their risk assessments, their economic and tax contributions, and their cultural contributions.

maybe minus the cultural part.. in most of the USA, every social act is monetized by someone, meaning (among other things) that real cultural contributions must get sold (since you personally have bills for waking up each day) or else they are moved to the backseat in the public eye by something else that is similar and is being monetized.

As a US citizen I personally think this was not a bad thing at first (minority culture cannot be dis-allowed) but over time, there are 100x more disposable cheap plastic things than any genuine cultural expression in public.

source - worked in the cultural arts instead of going to college, in the USA

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by vageli »

snazz wrote: post #24
konbaji wrote: post #19

I am a strong supporter of the current administration's restrictions on immigration. The resources in the US are simply too scarce to support unfettered immigration. Moreover, we need less "white immigrants" to come here in order to maintain diversity.

> The resources in the US are simply too scarce to support unfettered immigration. I fundamentally disagree with you, but I’m interested in hearing your viewpoint. Would you be willing to expand on what you mean by this statement? Are you referring primarily to jobs and government assistance?

> > The resources in the US are simply too scarce to support unfettered immigration.

> I fundamentally disagree with you, but I’m interested in hearing your viewpoint.

Is there any country with unfettered immigration?

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by zimpenfish »

setpatchaddress wrote: post #5
lacker wrote: post #2

I’m sad to hear it. A lot of people are denied entry to the US for their entire lifetimes; I am sad for all of them.

It's getting to the point where one must ask why someone wealthy enough to fly internationally would want the hassle of entering the US. It's been bad since 9/11, but it's insane now. I can't imagine the TSA is treating people better than they did pre-Trump. Maybe things will be better next year.

> It's getting to the point where one must ask why someone wealthy enough to fly internationally would want the hassle of entering the US.

Sometimes it's the only sensible option - e.g. as far as I know (the Kiwis I know all go via LAX), London to Auckland via LAX is cheaper, quicker, easier, etc. than going a non-US route like Singapore.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by svnpenn »

If you know Daniel, you know that this is one of the stupidest things the US government could possibly do regarding immigration. Daniel is literally one of the most brilliant computer programmers alive today. He created cURL:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CURL

A program so ubiquitous that it comes preinstalled on every mainstream OS, even Windows.

It has bindings for Rust, D, PHP and God knows how many other languages. It would be the equivalent of blocking a Senator, or say, Fleetwood Mac.

I guess people just don't give a shit about programmers.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by viraptor »

bigtones wrote: post #17

One of the most common reason to be denied an ESTA of a Visa to the United States is because of a criminal conviction or a criminal charge in your home country. I'm not saying this is the case here, but that is one of the most common reasons. Then again, it might be just because he's a "hacker".

> Then again, it might be just because he's a "hacker".

Given the number of non-US people successfully traveling to BlackHat and other explicitly "hacking" conferences... This is not the most likely explanation.

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