Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days • Hacker News Board

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by dhosek » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 11:30 PM UTC

sokoloff wrote: post #10

setpatchaddress wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's getting to the point where one must ask why someone wealthy enough to fly internationally would want the hassle of entering the US. It's been bad since 9/11, but it's insane now. I can't imagine the TSA is treating people better than they did pre-Trump. Maybe things will be better next year.

TSA has nothing to do with people entering the US.[0] CBP is the border police. [0] - except for perhaps a few airports where you pre-clear and are treated as a domestic flight (Dublin, Toronto, maybe others)

Regardless, the whole mechanism is pretty awful and has only gotten worse since 20 Jan 2017.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by techsupporter » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 11:31 PM UTC

sokoloff wrote: post #10

setpatchaddress wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's getting to the point where one must ask why someone wealthy enough to fly internationally would want the hassle of entering the US. It's been bad since 9/11, but it's insane now. I can't imagine the TSA is treating people better than they did pre-Trump. Maybe things will be better next year.

TSA has nothing to do with people entering the US.[0] CBP is the border police. [0] - except for perhaps a few airports where you pre-clear and are treated as a domestic flight (Dublin, Toronto, maybe others)

(FWIW, CBP also does border security at preclearance airports. Local airport staff handle security checks, including the TSA-style bag checks before entering the preclearance area.)

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by gpm » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 11:32 PM UTC

sokoloff wrote: post #10

setpatchaddress wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's getting to the point where one must ask why someone wealthy enough to fly internationally would want the hassle of entering the US. It's been bad since 9/11, but it's insane now. I can't imagine the TSA is treating people better than they did pre-Trump. Maybe things will be better next year.

TSA has nothing to do with people entering the US.[0] CBP is the border police. [0] - except for perhaps a few airports where you pre-clear and are treated as a domestic flight (Dublin, Toronto, maybe others)

On a flight from Toronto to the US... I don't think I interact with the TSA at all? I interact with Canadian security in Canada. I interact with US border control in Canada. I walk out the front door in the states without interacting with security at all.

I could be wrong about the agencies that some of the people I interact with work for though.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by 3np » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 11:32 PM UTC

setpatchaddress wrote: post #5

lacker wrote: post #2

I’m sad to hear it. A lot of people are denied entry to the US for their entire lifetimes; I am sad for all of them.

It's getting to the point where one must ask why someone wealthy enough to fly internationally would want the hassle of entering the US. It's been bad since 9/11, but it's insane now. I can't imagine the TSA is treating people better than they did pre-Trump. Maybe things will be better next year.

I remember at some point a few years ago realizing that “hey, I’m more nervous, hassled, scrutinized and having my privacy compromised entering the USA than mainland China”.

That change happened in not that many years. And it is not to say that China improved in any significant manner.

It’s been a couple of years pre-COVID that I now avoid (and haven’t been) traveling to or through the USA, a country Ive always otherwise enjoyed my stay in.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 11:36 PM UTC

setpatchaddress wrote: post #5

lacker wrote: post #2

I’m sad to hear it. A lot of people are denied entry to the US for their entire lifetimes; I am sad for all of them.

It's getting to the point where one must ask why someone wealthy enough to fly internationally would want the hassle of entering the US. It's been bad since 9/11, but it's insane now. I can't imagine the TSA is treating people better than they did pre-Trump. Maybe things will be better next year.

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Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by peterburkimsher » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 11:39 PM UTC

Sorry to say it's a similar story across the entire English-speaking world. There's a whole group discussing the situation in New Zealand, and there have been protests. I'm not particularly involved in the activism, but I am in the queue (since Feb 2019) and watching the group to know when the decision about my life's future is likely to be taken. https://www.facebook.com/groups/297880251255491

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by bigtones » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 11:42 PM UTC

One of the most common reason to be denied an ESTA of a Visa to the United States is because of a criminal conviction or a criminal charge in your home country. I'm not saying this is the case here, but that is one of the most common reasons.

Then again, it might be just because he's a "hacker".

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by sn41 » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 11:45 PM UTC

gpm wrote: post #13

sokoloff wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TSA has nothing to do with people entering the US.[0] CBP is the border police. [0] - except for perhaps a few airports where you pre-clear and are treated as a domestic flight (Dublin, Toronto, maybe others)

On a flight from Toronto to the US... I don't think I interact with the TSA at all? I interact with Canadian security in Canada. I interact with US border control in Canada. I walk out the front door in the states without interacting with security at all. I could be wrong about the agencies that some of the people I interact with work for though.

Probably your baggage is scanned at some point, if you have checked-in luggage.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by konbaji » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 11:45 PM UTC

I am a strong supporter of the current administration's restrictions on immigration. The resources in the US are simply too scarce to support unfettered immigration. Moreover, we need less "white immigrants" to come here in order to maintain diversity.

Re: Daniel Stenberg (curl) has been denied entry to the US for 870 days

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Post by q3k » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 11:45 PM UTC

bfuclusion wrote: post #8

$5 says this is stuck in some bureaucratic sinkhole somewhere. Barring a _good_ reason, I'd much rather have Daniel's brain here in the US than anywhere else.

> I'd much rather have Daniel's brain here in the US than anywhere else.

This sentence strikes me as very odd, and I can't quite put my finger on as to why. Like - why? Why does it matter? Is this some sort of competition? Is this like poaching talent into your company? Do you feel pride from sharing a territory with someone important?