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Re: Home Office Projects Series: Air conditioner setup

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Having individual heating and cooling units ( per unit gas heaters! ) is stupendously inefficient. I travel in Asia fairly regularly so this isn't new to me, but even after all of these years I can't believe I continue to see shiny, brand new "high end" condo buildings in Hong Kong, Shanghai, Tokyo, Seoul, etc., with individual AC units hanging out the window. Contrast this with a condo in Minneapolis that I own wher…

> Having individual heating and cooling units (per unit gas heaters!) is stupendously inefficient. > Contrast this with a condo in Minneapolis that I own wherein heat and AC are central in the building and individual units can set their temperature to whatever they like - all run with tremendously higher efficiency. This needs some real data. There are a few central technologies that might be used. A condensing gas-f…

Make sure if you get a mini-split that you do the following around keeping the condensate drain mechanism going. I have yet to see a mini-split product manual/installation guide that gives detailed information on these operational issues.

Many models let you run the condensate drain on your choice of right or left side. The unused side is often only supplied with a friction-fit drain plug. Over a period of many years, some of these plugs can shrink, not quite fall out, and then you get a real mess.

Make sure the drain pipe is dry. Clean it with denatured alcohol, then let dry again.

Buy a silicone sealant that carries a 20-year warranty. Buy a roll of "cork tape" [1]. Fill about 2.5 cm / 1 inch of the drain pipe with the silicone sealant. Stretch wrap the drain plug with the cork tape, so the tape thins out while sticking to the plug. Pinch/squeeze/roll the part of the tape that hangs out beyond the end of the plug so it is slightly smaller than the stem of the plug. Push the plug into the drain pipe, and try to push it all the way up to the head of the plug. The cork tape will fill out and adhere to the walls of the pipe. Finally, stretch wrap more cork tape (or self-fusing silicone waterproof tape if you don't like the stickiness on both sides of the cork tape) around the entire drain pipe and drain plug assembly, including wrapping the end, and seal up the assembly to the pipe.

Mount a very slightly tilted metal shelf underneath the mini-split air handler (the part that mounts on your wall inside your building), and install an AC-mains-powered moisture sensor that cuts off power to the mini-split when triggered, at the lowest end of the shelf. Mini-splits usually use a zero-capacity drain pan to stay as slim as possible, and if they clog up at the condensate drain pipe, they overflow rapidly (within minutes).

Learn how to take the plastic cowling off the unit before you mount it, document it by video or photographs, and stash it with your product manuals. Mini-split manuals usually don't show how to take them apart enough to get at the condensate drain, and most models I've seen have lots of plastic catches all over that are hard to see when you're standing on a ladder peering between the ceiling and the cowling. If you ever get biogrowth in it, you'll want to know how to take it apart.

Or, if you don't want to take it apart to get at the drain, you can codge together a way to run your wet/dry shop vac to mount to the condensate drain and pull stuff out. I used a shop vac mini kit [2]. I also got a venturi-based device to try to develop more vacuum [3] with the CO2 tank I normally use to make fizzy water.

[1] https://smile.amazon.com/DiversiTech-6-330-Cork-Insulation-B...

[2] https://smile.amazon.com/Wet-Dry-Accessories-VT1215-Attachme...

[3] https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CIRZGV6/

Re: Home Office Projects Series: Air conditioner setup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's more efficient to heat/cool single room than all house when for e.g. you spend most of the day in office/living room and then go to bed. That way you only have one AC running but of course if you have big family then it maybe makes sense but still... Those mini split AC efficiency is much higher than I have seen in US ducted systems (follow few channels) because mini splits uses inverter technology for h…

That depends on insulation. If your house is well insulated it doesn't make much difference as the cooling needed for when you are in the room (assuming you use all rooms every day) is most of the cooling needed for the entire day. Thus you may as well temperature control everything at once and call it good. The loss of energy is more than worth it considering the comfort. If you have poor insulation the above doesn'…

Or you have to keep it cooled to keep the relative humidity low enough that mold and mildew do not take over.

Re: Home Office Projects Series: Air conditioner setup

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Someone said Japan used to be in the title - and now that it isn't - I think it should go back. HN is mostly a US based website (with an emphasis on Silicon Valley). This methodology is wildly uncommon in the US. There's very little likelihood this kind of thing would happen in well over 90%+ of the USA.

First off - if you're renting - you're not putting holes in the walls that go to the exterior and there certainly aren't any already existing. I've never seen or heard of that in the USA - particularly for apartments. Secondly - you're not hanging air conditioning units off the exterior walls of the apartment (rental or owned - you don't own/rent the exterior and ain't no residential building consenting to that shit). If you had a balcony, that's where it'd go, at best. Thirdly - where's your power coming from!? Most of these units are 220V and usually there is only one or two 220V power outlets in American homes these days and they're always dedicated to the washer+dryer. Maybe you have a third for an electric oven/stove. (Or an electric water heater) You'd have to run new power lines and that involves tearing up the walls. You could try to find 110V mini-split AC units but they're pretty uncommon in the USA (and much less powerful). As well, not having that AC on a dedicated breaker means you'll be giving up all other outlets on that breaker whenever the AC is on, which could be a lot of essential outlets in esoteric places.

Great insight for someone who lives in Japan and someone who wants to see what it looks like to install AC in Japan. Put it back in the title!

Re: Home Office Projects Series: Air conditioner setup

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When I moved to UK I was shocked that each house amd apartment (!) has a separate gas boiler, a device that need maintenance, takes up space, makes noise and regularly kills people with carbon monoxide. I then met a person who lost a loved one to that thing! In Russia and Czech Republic we have district heating, you just get billed for the amount of hot water consumed. Some of that heat comes from industrial sources…

Yeah but there is no such infrastructure in most of the UK, so it would be a big and expensive undertaking to build it. Individual gas/electric boilers are a pretty good solution. Maintenance isn't that hard, though legally you need a Gas Safe certified technician to do everything, and they're smug, expensive, slow, and not all that smart tbh. But because there's no competition you have to put up with that :D That wa…

Prior to certified technicians people were dying of carbon monoxide poisoning after improperly installing or maintaining boilers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B_sgYnNEO4

Re: Home Office Projects Series: Air conditioner setup

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I just did a DIY install of a mini split AC, including running electrical and the refrigerant lines, having never done so before. There was a whole "hidden side of the iceberg" to learn besides just the controller parts of how it works. The unit cost was ~600 while the install would have been ~1500, so I was betting that if I mess up catastrophically I could replace the whole thing once or even twice.

Did you use a vacuum pump for the refrigerant lines? If air is still inside the lines, the unit will not last as long - the problem is the trapped moisture that can damage the pump in the long run.

Re: Home Office Projects Series: Air conditioner setup

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Having individual heating and cooling units ( per unit gas heaters! ) is stupendously inefficient. I travel in Asia fairly regularly so this isn't new to me, but even after all of these years I can't believe I continue to see shiny, brand new "high end" condo buildings in Hong Kong, Shanghai, Tokyo, Seoul, etc., with individual AC units hanging out the window. Contrast this with a condo in Minneapolis that I own wher…

> It was explained to me once that there are Asian (specifically, Chinese) attitudes towards thrift that make it inconceivable/impossible to pay for AC that someone else might be using (or misusing). I don't know how true that is. I don't know how true it is either, but I can provide some mild support. Several years ago a vicious heat wave hit Shanghai, and the subway stations filled with people taking advantage of t…

I've heard of people doing this in malls, but subway stations is a bit weird for sure.

Movie theaters in the US were very popular prior to prevalent home AC for much the same reason.

Re: Home Office Projects Series: Air conditioner setup

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Having individual heating and cooling units ( per unit gas heaters! ) is stupendously inefficient. I travel in Asia fairly regularly so this isn't new to me, but even after all of these years I can't believe I continue to see shiny, brand new "high end" condo buildings in Hong Kong, Shanghai, Tokyo, Seoul, etc., with individual AC units hanging out the window. Contrast this with a condo in Minneapolis that I own wher…

> tremendously higher efficiency

For heat, yes, but not AC. For example, the Mitsubishi MY-GL12NA is a very efficient mini-split with an EER of 13, but a random modern window or through-wall unit (ex: https://amazon.com/dp/B07D8R2V8H/) will have an EER of ~12.

Re: Home Office Projects Series: Air conditioner setup

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Having individual heating and cooling units (per unit gas heaters!) is stupendously inefficient. > Contrast this with a condo in Minneapolis that I own wherein heat and AC are central in the building and individual units can set their temperature to whatever they like - all run with tremendously higher efficiency. This needs some real data. There are a few central technologies that might be used. A condensing gas-f…

"This needs some real data." I agree and I, admittedly, have none. I will say, however, that a deeper dive into these efficiencies would also have to take into account the production, distribution and installation costs (embedded pollution, not dollars) of several hundred little devices vs. a single plant that is integrated into each unit during building construction. Even considering room by room optimization (turni…

At least one building science expert (Joseph Lstiburek) reccomends a decentralized approach for HVAC, with tightly sealed individual units: https://www.buildingscience.com/documents/digests/bsd-110-hv...

Although I do wonder how that works with something like district heating/cooling systems, which seem to rely on centralized boilers and chillers to move thermal energy between buildings.

Re: Home Office Projects Series: Air conditioner setup

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Having individual heating and cooling units ( per unit gas heaters! ) is stupendously inefficient. I travel in Asia fairly regularly so this isn't new to me, but even after all of these years I can't believe I continue to see shiny, brand new "high end" condo buildings in Hong Kong, Shanghai, Tokyo, Seoul, etc., with individual AC units hanging out the window. Contrast this with a condo in Minneapolis that I own wher…

Wouldn't a shared system with individual metering, which is how electricity works for the most part, work then in that case?
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