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Intel Launches 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake

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Re: Intel Launches 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake

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Post by whynotminot »

fomine3 wrote: post #174
whynotminot wrote: post #40

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FWIW, I upgraded to one of the 2020 MBP Ice Lake machines. I've seen much, much improved CPU and GPU performance that makes my daily life better. I think much of the increase comes from going from dual core to quad core and perhaps not as much the single core gains, but still, I'd be curious what kind of software he's deving to not see much improvement. If he's doing compiling or web-dev transpiling kinda stuff, I'm…

It's not well known due to Intel's fab failure, but Ice Lake is huge improvement for IPC and perf/watt.

Ice lake definitely brings IPC improvements, but there’s a big asterisk: it can’t clock as high as their 14nm parts.

So results can be a little mixed. It’s clearly pulling more weight at lower clocks but lacks the high frequency performance of intel’s hella refined at this point 14nm process.

And that’s what makes Tiger Lake interesting. It’s all the good stuff Ice Lake has going for it, but now Intel is able to take off the training wheels.

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Post by tashoecraft »

srtjstjsj wrote: post #165
tashoecraft wrote: post #29

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Worked swapped out my mid 2015, 2-core 16gb with a 2019 8 core, 32gb, and this machine is night and day better. It's so much faster at every task I throw at it.

In 2015 the 15" was 4-core.

It was a 13’

Re: Intel Launches 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake

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Post by paulpan »

paulpan wrote: post #71
icegreentea2 wrote: post #65

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Yeah. But I think 4 cores at 50% higher base single thread vs 8 cores is actually a pretty reasonable tradeoff for many workloads. If they managed 6 cores though... would have been pretty awesome. I hope this delivers. I'd hate to see Intel go down in flames.

Right, that's perhaps a glaring omission. Last year's (Ice Lake) i7-10710U was a 6-core, 12-thread part with a TDP of 25W. https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/196448/... But it's entirely missing from this announcement. Seems like a regression.

Mia culpa as others pointed out, the i7-10710U was a Comet Lake part rather than Ice Lake. Seems even more glaring then that Intel had a 6-core U-series chip and now no longer offers one.

That said, also agreed with everyone that core count isn't absolute and we should be looking at the clock frequency, etc. One metric I'm curious to know more is sustained performance - e.g. if the chip can only hit its turbo for <30secs, then that just isn't very good...

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Post by badsectoracula »

nullify88 wrote: post #184
badsectoracula wrote: post #130

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> 120Hz is incredible for gaming. ...if you're playing with v-sync :-P. I got a (rather expensive too) 165Hz monitor recently and the main benefit is to lessen the lag that Windows' forced composition (which also does v-sync) has. But in games i always played with v-sync turned off (i do not mind the tearing, unless it only happens at a fixed position i never really notice it) and the responsiveness was already very…

> if you're playing with v-sync High refresh rate monitors tend to support freesync or Gsync. For minimum latency disable vsync, enable free / gsync. Only enable vsync if your fps is above the monitors refresh rate. Alternatively you can enable a framerate limit just below the refresh rate.

My monitor supports Freesync but after testing with some games i found vsync off to have the minimum latency. Which is expected, since it always has the minimum latency even with 60Hz monitors, but i decided to try it anyway because i've seen very conflicting reports out there. The neat thing with the monitor is that i can switch it on and off while the game is running (there is an OSD option) but so far i haven't found any game where it is better.

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Post by badsectoracula »

micv wrote: post #140
badsectoracula wrote: post #130

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> 120Hz is incredible for gaming. ...if you're playing with v-sync :-P. I got a (rather expensive too) 165Hz monitor recently and the main benefit is to lessen the lag that Windows' forced composition (which also does v-sync) has. But in games i always played with v-sync turned off (i do not mind the tearing, unless it only happens at a fixed position i never really notice it) and the responsiveness was already very…

The size and weight of CRTs was basically unbearable. Huge problems. You can give up a lot to get out from that, and most CRTs weren't that sort of high quality. Most of us lost nothing but a huge inconvenience when we moved from CRT to LCD/TFT/whatever.

But it isn't like you'd get your CRT out for a walk or anything, you'd buy a monitor and leave it at your desk for months - often years - so that weight wasn't much of an issue unless you moved around all the time.

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Post by CarbyAu »

influx wrote: post #180
CarbyAu wrote: post #156

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Every now and again I think a "Windowing/Compositing" desktop experience replacement in the form of an Unreal Engine based "game" would be cool. Even supports VR. '80s Cyberpunk matrix here I come! pulls out a virtual gun to kill a process dead

Have you seen psdoom?

No I had not! It seems like what I was thinking.

Take the same idea and put it into Unreal Engine. Add further OS interactions like files, maybe a floating virtual window for web browsing etc.

The UX has to be done very well though otherwise you are a prediction by TV show Community:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4FGzE4endQ&ab

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Post by userbinator »

varbhat wrote: post #172
userbinator wrote: post #146

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The "flat" trend has infected it too, and it's unfortunate because the new logos look more like something from the fashion/cosmetics industry than a serious semiconductor company. ...still not as bad as what happened to Atmel's logo, however.

what happened to Atmel's logo ?

Old: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atmel_logo.svg

New: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atmel_logo_svg.svg

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Post by ComputerGuru »

danudey wrote: post #131
ComputerGuru wrote: post #82

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I find this one hard to swallow. On 60Hz software is already the bottleneck even on high end hardware. If anything, it’ll drive a perfectionist mad because crappy software that the high end hardware allowed to operate just over that threshold (say 64Hz) would suddenly be exposed. I think jitter is more important than FPS and until software has caught up (likely never) I would rather cap the frame rate at 60 FPS and e…

> It’s the same thing with retina/HiDPI. It’s amazing when everything is retina, but all the random bits and pieces of UI, let alone entire softwares, that appear blurry make for a worse experience than a strictly low dpi UX. The very, very first thing I did at my last company after migrating to a retina Macbook Pro was go into our monitoring systems and configure it to render the graphs at 2x size and then scale the…

That used to be the default circa 2013 and the original rMBP. IIRC they only ~recently changed that, and I believe it was because the hardware had stagnated to the point where the GPU couldn’t keep up.

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Post by sgerenser »

userbinator wrote: post #208
varbhat wrote: post #172

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what happened to Atmel's logo ?

Old: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atmel_logo.svg New: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atmel_logo_svg.svg

Not a big fan of the new Atmel logo but the old one screams 1978.
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