Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli? • Hacker News Board

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Post by Ancapistani » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 4:50 PM UTC

jackpirate wrote: post #130

pydry wrote: post #101

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I thought he's comparing the law in Iran with a similar law in the US (CAATSA I think?) directed at North Korea. I'd feel only marginally more safe violating the US's equivalent law. Breaking sanctions means prison and, at least according to Amnesty, US prisons engage in torture pretty routinely. So, I probably wouldn't merge a North Korean PR. Would you?

I happen to know that two popular machine learning libraries (MLPack and Vowpal Wabbit) have merged pull requests from North Korea. I know this because I was teaching a class on open source software development to North Korean students in 2015 (at PUST, a university in North Korea), and this was the final project for two student groups. The pull requests got merged fine, and the country of origin was never an issue.…

I'd have to look it up to be sure, but I believe US law only restricts dealings with North Korea that are political or commercial in nature. Merging a PR shouldn't qualify.

More importantly, in the US, there is at least some semblance of fairness in the judiciary. To be clear, I'm not saying "fairness always wins". Not even close. A criminal charge would entitle the defendant to a trial by jury, though, and I find it hard to believe that a jury would convict a teacher for merely collaborating with a student in an academic setting, regardless of the letter of the law.

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Post by dudul » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 4:50 PM UTC

duxup wrote: post #97

dudul wrote: post #92

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The PR author has their location in their Github profile. Had they not filled this part, the maintainer probably would have just merged the PR.

Is that bad to share that info? And that aside, what about the name? Going this direction seems like a very strange aside to a situation where the law is clearly bonkers...

You asked how the comment that "it is the problem with detailed bio" related to the story. I'm not saying it's bad or not, people are free to share what they want, but had the PR author not done that, the PR would have been merged, that's all.

Not sure what you mean about the name.

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Post by School-Cotton » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 4:51 PM UTC

hinkley wrote: post #111

navidr wrote: post #86

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Yeap. It is only “bad” when an Iranian is doing it. When they impose sanctions to kill literally children [1] they are civil human being. 1) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R0WDCYcUJ4o Update: I am not American and I have zero intention of getting into your internal business. But you should understand when it comes to politics you have to hear the other-side too. Update 2: dang why I have been flagged? Just because I d…

This whole thread I’m wondering how many respondents are American. We really have no room to talk right now. Vote, for the love of god and your own mothers.

I'll bite. Who do you suggest we vote for that will stop these practices?

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Post by mullingitover » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 4:52 PM UTC

wheels wrote: post #76

rgbrenner wrote: post #10

All the people arguing semantics when the author lives in a repressive dictatorship that would literally torture you for a confession and then execute you for it.. if anyone EVER comes by this PR even a decade from now. Meanwhile, no one here would even think of violating US export controls against North Korea... when the consequences are likely just prison time. Armchair tough guys.

Iran is repressive, and fraught with problems, but it's not a dictatorship. There's a reasonably intricate bureaucracy, much of which is semi-democratic: for example, the supreme leader's preferred presidential candidate doesn't always win. The current president, Rouhani, is a moderate, and is not especially liked by the hard-liners. It's pretty crazy that your comment comparing it to North Korea and insinuating that…

Let's be honest, the reason Iran is a pariah state isn't because it's a repressive, tyrannical regime, it's because it doesn't fall in line with the US/UK demands. Saudi Arabia is worse, and their leaders get to hold hands with US presidents while they go for a stroll.

Iran could abolish all elections, create a Saudi-style dictatorship, become even more of a human rights abuser, but if it privatized its oil industry and let in Exxon/BP all would be forgiven.

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Post by msla » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 4:53 PM UTC

navidr wrote: post #129

kapitalx wrote: post #100

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> the supreme leader's preferred presidential candidate doesn't always win Candidates for president must be "approved" by the Guardian Council. Supreme leader hand picks half of the Guardian Council, the other half is selected by Majlis. But majlis nominees are "approved" by the guardian council. The circular dependency was seeded by supreme leader. If A = B & B = C Then A = C. He hand picks the nominees for presiden…

So is US. Last time I checked it was not possible for an outsider (third party candidate) to participate in US election. Forgot about outsider, look what they did to Bernie Sanders. Both 2016 and 2020. Should I explain more? Let alone third party candidates like Jill Stein. You have really bought the brand of bs the media is selling you don’t you?

Wow. It's really impossible to talk about anywhere else here, isn't it? It all has to come back to America, doesn't it?

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Post by ALittleLight » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 4:53 PM UTC

navidr wrote: post #129

kapitalx wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the supreme leader's preferred presidential candidate doesn't always win Candidates for president must be "approved" by the Guardian Council. Supreme leader hand picks half of the Guardian Council, the other half is selected by Majlis. But majlis nominees are "approved" by the guardian council. The circular dependency was seeded by supreme leader. If A = B & B = C Then A = C. He hand picks the nominees for presiden…

So is US. Last time I checked it was not possible for an outsider (third party candidate) to participate in US election. Forgot about outsider, look what they did to Bernie Sanders. Both 2016 and 2020. Should I explain more? Let alone third party candidates like Jill Stein. You have really bought the brand of bs the media is selling you don’t you?

Isn't the current President, Donald Trump, an outsider? He calls himself a Republican, but he wasn't involved with that party prior to deciding to run, and he certainly didn't seem to have the support of the party while running.

It's definitely a problem that you have to be in one of the two parties, but it's not impossible to come from outside and nominally join. Sanders is also a good example, coming close in 16 and 20, despite being, essentially, an independent or Democratic Socialist.

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Post by danbolt » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 4:53 PM UTC

navidr wrote: post #129

kapitalx wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the supreme leader's preferred presidential candidate doesn't always win Candidates for president must be "approved" by the Guardian Council. Supreme leader hand picks half of the Guardian Council, the other half is selected by Majlis. But majlis nominees are "approved" by the guardian council. The circular dependency was seeded by supreme leader. If A = B & B = C Then A = C. He hand picks the nominees for presiden…

So is US. Last time I checked it was not possible for an outsider (third party candidate) to participate in US election. Forgot about outsider, look what they did to Bernie Sanders. Both 2016 and 2020. Should I explain more? Let alone third party candidates like Jill Stein. You have really bought the brand of bs the media is selling you don’t you?

They didn’t do anything to Bernie Sanders; the big-tent party moved rightward after Raegan but it’s progressive wing didn’t break off. His placement in both primaries reflects that.

Disclaimer: I’m not an American, so I might be simplifying or not getting something right.

EDIT: looking at your comment again, I could understand cynicism about the Democratic/Republican political machines, but I don’t necessarily equate that to something like Iran’s Supreme Leader.

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Post by msla » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 4:54 PM UTC

free_rms wrote: post #161

LegitShady wrote: post #137

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Which religious council did Bernie have to be approved by? Or was it a political party? Your analogy is off base.

It's awfully suspicious how all of the other candidates except Warren dropped out and endorsed Biden overnight, right? Meanwhile, Warren, who was presumed to draw votes from Bernie, was all of a sudden awash in SuperPAC money despite her campaign having no chance. Almost like someone made a few phone calls.

"Whataboutism" is not an argument, and neither are vague innuendos.

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Post by newswasboring » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 4:54 PM UTC

Alir3z4 wrote: post #103

newswasboring wrote: post #78

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1. There is a difference between jailing/torturing someone and a private company restricting its user base. 2. Countries have the right to have trade sanctions towards other countries. Does US abuse its rights some times? Absolutely. But does not make it not their right.

1. Torturing is illegal and prohibited by constitution in Iran. A single sign of torture can easily make a judge dismiss the trial. Although this was not the case pre revolution era (where the Shah, head of state was a US and west puppet). A private company restricting its service to a certain nationalities is clearly racist. What would a private repo would do ? Hide the secret nuclear weapon design system in a US co…

> 2. Countries have rights to impose trade sanctions on whoever they want as long as their intentions is not malicious and not directly toward the individual and citizens in hope to cause revolution and civil war to topple the government (what has been said by Brian Hook, Mike Pompeo, John Bolton and ...) or making Iran the bogeyman to increase the arm industry sales in the region.

seriously dude, says who? This will be all good, but then there is no point to a sanction if its not targeting change in the other country. Jumping to revolution is extreme, but isn't the whole point of a sanction to change another countries behavior?

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Post by throw_m239339 » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 4:54 PM UTC

reificator wrote: post #168

throw_m239339 wrote: post #156

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> You've done it! You've found a logical hole in the policies of a government! Everyone is happy, the maintainer is no longer at risk of death if they approve this PR, and the world is saved once again. That developer made himself a target for retaliation the moment he started using github and commit code there. Spare me your sarcasms.

> That developer made himself a target for retaliation the moment he started using github and commit code there. Spare me your sarcasms. And if you are toeing the line with what's acceptable, increasing your exposure by even a little could cross that line. Spare me your lack of empathy.

> Spare me your lack of empathy.

This has nothing to with empathy, you can't be on Github and discriminate PR submitters because they are Israeli. Pretty sure it violates github TOS.