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Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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All the people arguing semantics when the author lives in a repressive dictatorship that would literally torture you for a confession and then execute you for it.. if anyone EVER comes by this PR even a decade from now. Meanwhile, no one here would even think of violating US export controls against North Korea... when the consequences are likely just prison time. Armchair tough guys.

Yeah the entire comment section is just annoyingly naive.

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Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Also, one more comment in the page reads very naive: > Let the problem be until it escalates to GitHub's (Microsoft) management to find a proper way to deal with this. If MS management gets wind of this, I fear the most likely outcome would be "Thanks for bringing this to our attention! By being an Iranian citizen, this account violated our TOS. This account is now permanently closed."

Yeah that was me (I had also created an earlier HN thread about it -> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24360801 ). I know it's written with a smile, but being serious for a second, it won't happen since sanctions on Iran only apply to the public sector, or perhaps companies, but certainly not individuals.

I wouldn't be so sure Microsoft's legal department would find that worth the risk.

https://techcrunch.com/2019/07/29/github-ban-sanctioned-coun...

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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All the people arguing semantics when the author lives in a repressive dictatorship that would literally torture you for a confession and then execute you for it.. if anyone EVER comes by this PR even a decade from now. Meanwhile, no one here would even think of violating US export controls against North Korea... when the consequences are likely just prison time. Armchair tough guys.

> All the people arguing semantics when the author lives in a repressive dictatorship that would literally torture you for a confession and then execute you for it.. if anyone EVER comes by this PR even a decade from now. He is using a language that was mainly developed by Israeli and has Israeli on its core team, this is a flimsy excuse not to merge a PR. Laravele itself probably already has Israeli contributors too…

> He is using a language that was mainly developed by Israeli and has Israeli on its core team, this is a flimsy excuse not to merge a PR. Laravele itself probably already has Israeli contributors too. This argument makes no sense. If he is using PHP and Laravele he is allegedly already in danger by your logic, since using code and libraries authored by Israeli. This isn't a github or a git issue, at all.

You've done it! You've found a logical hole in the policies of a government! Everyone is happy, the maintainer is no longer at risk of death if they approve this PR, and the world is saved once again.

Thank you for your service.

For an actual response, the maintainer only states that they are not allowed to have any relationship with someone from Israel. While possible, they do not state that they cannot use software that was contributed to by someone from Israel.

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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> All the people arguing semantics when the author lives in a repressive dictatorship that would literally torture you for a confession and then execute you for it.. if anyone EVER comes by this PR even a decade from now. He is using a language that was mainly developed by Israeli and has Israeli on its core team, this is a flimsy excuse not to merge a PR. Laravele itself probably already has Israeli contributors too…

> He is using a language that was mainly developed by Israeli and has Israeli on its core team, this is a flimsy excuse not to merge a PR. Laravele itself probably already has Israeli contributors too. This argument makes no sense. If he is using PHP and Laravele he is allegedly already in danger by your logic, since using code and libraries authored by Israeli. This isn't a github or a git issue, at all. You've done…

> You've done it! You've found a logical hole in the policies of a government! Everyone is happy, the maintainer is no longer at risk of death if they approve this PR, and the world is saved once again.

That developer made himself a target for retaliation the moment he started using github and commit code there. Spare me your sarcasms.

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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I would have said "Jerusalem" as a location could lend some ambiguity as to whether the committing user is Israeli or Palestinian, but ah...his username and profile picture certainly leaves nothing to the imagination.

Hi Author of the PR here. Would you submit a complaint to GitHub? What should I do?

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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All the people arguing semantics when the author lives in a repressive dictatorship that would literally torture you for a confession and then execute you for it.. if anyone EVER comes by this PR even a decade from now. Meanwhile, no one here would even think of violating US export controls against North Korea... when the consequences are likely just prison time. Armchair tough guys.

> Meanwhile, no one here would even think of violating US export controls against North Korea

I wouldn't be so sure about that.

I have personally done business with individuals in countries that are on my country's "naughty list". This is one of the reasons I fully support the concept of cryptocurrencies - even though there are myriad problems with there current implementation, Bitcoin has allowed me to transact with individuals in both Venezuela, which is on the "naughty list", and Somalia, where to my knowledge no major bank allows direct fund transfers.

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Iran is repressive, and fraught with problems, but it's not a dictatorship. There's a reasonably intricate bureaucracy, much of which is semi-democratic: for example, the supreme leader's preferred presidential candidate doesn't always win. The current president, Rouhani, is a moderate, and is not especially liked by the hard-liners. It's pretty crazy that your comment comparing it to North Korea and insinuating that…

That's ridiculous. The Supreme Leader's Council of Guardians personally certify any and all Presidential candidates. They may choose to allow candidates from other factions from time to time for political reasons, but they're still choosing. In a Democracy, the leader don't get to decide who is allowed to run for office. And while we're talking about him, the "Supreme Leader" serves a lifetime term. They personally a…

If anyone is interested in a different perspective (the Iranians you will interact with online know English, have affinity for the West, etc. These are not representative of majority of Iranians, just like many Americans aren't represented by the Twitteratti for example), there is a book by Hermann Hesse called The Glass Bead Game, where humanity has undergone a devastating Third World War and in attempt to keep it from ever happening again they install a council of ascetic Monks who have final veto power on any action of any state. The idea is that people who are experts in morality, who have no worldly attachments or things to gain by leveraging their power would be the best check on a society which routinely falls into war.

This is a very similar arrangement to Iran's "democracy" where the democracy runs but is checked by a figure whose "true" attachment is to God (or for non-believers at least to some kind of objective morality).

If you look from an average Iranian perspective, Ayatollah Khamenei is not just the leader of the country, he is also a venerable religious figure, an ascetic and someone who ostensibly cares little for worldly pleasures. If anyone were to have "guardianship" or veto power over a democracy, wouldn't he be a good guy to have it, from that perspective?

It's a lot of the same arguments you see for Trump. He doesn't need the money. He's not beholden to special interests because he's not a career politician, etc. Etc.

Just a different perspective. Many here allege torture and harsh imprisonment but these aren't inherent features of the system mentioned. They are things which could be fixed within the system as well. The same is true for American police brutality, for example.

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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post #71
post #39

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They were an American company that took investment money from an Israeli VC, that doesn't make them an Israeli company.

The owners of Zend, Ze ev and A nd i are indeed Israeli making it a company under Israeli control for some time no matter what. This whole story makes me sad.

I've been doing more googling and several articles refer to it as "Israel's Zend Technologies"[1] before the acquisition by Roguewave.

1: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/business/1.4891691

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