Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli? • Hacker News Board

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Post by pydry » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 4:23 PM UTC

wheels wrote: post #76

rgbrenner wrote: post #10

All the people arguing semantics when the author lives in a repressive dictatorship that would literally torture you for a confession and then execute you for it.. if anyone EVER comes by this PR even a decade from now. Meanwhile, no one here would even think of violating US export controls against North Korea... when the consequences are likely just prison time. Armchair tough guys.

Iran is repressive, and fraught with problems, but it's not a dictatorship. There's a reasonably intricate bureaucracy, much of which is semi-democratic: for example, the supreme leader's preferred presidential candidate doesn't always win. The current president, Rouhani, is a moderate, and is not especially liked by the hard-liners. It's pretty crazy that your comment comparing it to North Korea and insinuating that…

I thought he's comparing the law in Iran with a similar law in the US (CAATSA I think?) directed at North Korea.

I'd feel only marginally more safe violating the US's equivalent law. Breaking sanctions means prison and, at least according to Amnesty, US prisons engage in torture pretty routinely.

So, I probably wouldn't merge a North Korean PR.

Would you?

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Post by wheels » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 4:23 PM UTC

tgv wrote: post #93

wheels wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran is repressive, and fraught with problems, but it's not a dictatorship. There's a reasonably intricate bureaucracy, much of which is semi-democratic: for example, the supreme leader's preferred presidential candidate doesn't always win. The current president, Rouhani, is a moderate, and is not especially liked by the hard-liners. It's pretty crazy that your comment comparing it to North Korea and insinuating that…

If it quacks ... The "supreme leader's preferred presidential candidate" may not always win, but he has to obey the supreme leader and his gang anyway. It's pretty close to a dictatorship, even if it's usually couched as "theocracy".

It's definitely a theocracy, but the president does have some measure of real power (e.g. for better or worse, the nuclear deal almost certainly wouldn't have happened had Rouhani not been elected). I'm not saying that the government isn't problematic, just that every problematic government isn't a dictatorship.

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Post by Alir3z4 » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 4:24 PM UTC

newswasboring wrote: post #78

Alir3z4 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tell that to GitHub to force and ban Iranian github repos that were private or gitlab completely non reachable for Iranians due to GCP policies.

1. There is a difference between jailing/torturing someone and a private company restricting its user base. 2. Countries have the right to have trade sanctions towards other countries. Does US abuse its rights some times? Absolutely. But does not make it not their right.

1. Torturing is illegal and prohibited by constitution in Iran. A single sign of torture can easily make a judge dismiss the trial. Although this was not the case pre revolution era (where the Shah, head of state was a US and west puppet). A private company restricting its service to a certain nationalities is clearly racist. What would a private repo would do ? Hide the secret nuclear weapon design system in a US company?

2. Countries have rights to impose trade sanctions on whoever they want as long as their intentions is not malicious and not directly toward the individual and citizens in hope to cause revolution and civil war to topple the government (what has been said by Brian Hook, Mike Pompeo, John Bolton and ...) or making Iran the bogeyman to increase the arm industry sales in the region.

If you're not aware, the WW3 has been long started, it's not by bullet much anymore, but by much gruesome and brutal tactics such as prohibiting the sale of medicine in the pandemic or preventing to get a simple cancer medicine for small children.

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Post by chadash » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 4:24 PM UTC

anonu wrote: post #85

Couple ways to read this: 1. repo owner is justified. Understandable from the lens of living under an oppressive regime that could use anything to justify your imprisonment or whatnot... Even if he has good intentions, fear of disproportionate response keeps him from collaboration 2. repo owner is just not being friendly. The risk is so minuscule here that any intelligent person would just merge a PR. After all, they…

I can't say for certain, but the tone of his response leads me to think that #2 is not the case. The risk might be minuscule, but the repo owner worried about it anyway, which is natural and doesn't mean they are being unfriendly.

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Post by hinkley » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 4:24 PM UTC

Alir3z4 wrote: post #47

I never knew about such law. For those who have Pikachu eyes now, or whoever gave thumbs down on the maintainer comment, I dare you to do a single tiny transaction with Iran or an Iranian citizen which would be in violation of unilateral sanctions imposed by US on Iran and Iranian national globally and you'd see how you'll get a taste of freedom and liberty and some prison time to sweeten the deal by US. If there's #…

First time I worked with crypto, it was still a munition. Things were so bad, you weren’t even supposed to ship code that was set up to handle crypto with the crypto removed. Which is why some APIs are still convoluted today.

Last time I worked with crypto, the sanctions had been aligned with overall trade sanctions, so after wasting hours talking about it, turns out my code could go everywhere our products could be legally sold so it wasn’t an issue? You could have led with that.

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Post by cowmoo728 » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 4:24 PM UTC

aaomidi wrote: post #38

rgbrenner wrote: post #10

All the people arguing semantics when the author lives in a repressive dictatorship that would literally torture you for a confession and then execute you for it.. if anyone EVER comes by this PR even a decade from now. Meanwhile, no one here would even think of violating US export controls against North Korea... when the consequences are likely just prison time. Armchair tough guys.

Yeah the entire comment section is just annoyingly naive.

Especially given the recent case of Navid Akfari. He's a very popular Iranian wrestler that made the mistake of being tangentially involved with anti government protests in 2018. He and his brothers were tortured into giving confessions, and is now sentenced to more torture and then execution. It is not something to take lightly.

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Post by yongjik » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 4:25 PM UTC

rgbrenner wrote: post #10

All the people arguing semantics when the author lives in a repressive dictatorship that would literally torture you for a confession and then execute you for it.. if anyone EVER comes by this PR even a decade from now. Meanwhile, no one here would even think of violating US export controls against North Korea... when the consequences are likely just prison time. Armchair tough guys.

Also, one more comment in the page reads very naive:

> Let the problem be until it escalates to GitHub's (Microsoft) management to find a proper way to deal with this.

If MS management gets wind of this, I fear the most likely outcome would be "Thanks for bringing this to our attention! By being an Iranian citizen, this account violated our TOS. This account is now permanently closed."

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Post by azangru » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 4:25 PM UTC

I don't have anything useful to offer, but don't you find it utterly bonkers that a government can tell you who you may or may not associate with. Nothing to do with Iran specifically; the US also has similar claims on its citizens dictating to them who they are and are not allowed to have business relationships with; as probably do other countries. I can't fit this into my head. It's too insane.

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Post by Alir3z4 » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 4:25 PM UTC

navidr wrote: post #86

Alir3z4 wrote: post #47

I never knew about such law. For those who have Pikachu eyes now, or whoever gave thumbs down on the maintainer comment, I dare you to do a single tiny transaction with Iran or an Iranian citizen which would be in violation of unilateral sanctions imposed by US on Iran and Iranian national globally and you'd see how you'll get a taste of freedom and liberty and some prison time to sweeten the deal by US. If there's #…

Yeap. It is only “bad” when an Iranian is doing it. When they impose sanctions to kill literally children [1] they are civil human being. 1) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R0WDCYcUJ4o Update: I am not American and I have zero intention of getting into your internal business. But you should understand when it comes to politics you have to hear the other-side too. Update 2: dang why I have been flagged? Just because I d…

Yes, the price worth it she says.

It's deafening how loud they lie and how easy people belive and accept it.

Re: Iranian law prohibits merge of PR from Israeli?

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 4:25 PM UTC

oaiey wrote: post #71

burnte wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They were an American company that took investment money from an Israeli VC, that doesn't make them an Israeli company.

The owners of Zend, Ze ev and A nd i are indeed Israeli making it a company under Israeli control for some time no matter what. This whole story makes me sad.

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