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Re: The butcher's shop that lasted 300 years (give or take)

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Post by samatman » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 8:27 AM UTC

grawprog wrote: post #2

That's fairly sad. I've never found a butcher whose quality or price is beaten by a grocery store yet. I've also yet to find a quality butcher shop that wasn't packed(pre-covid i suppose) Butcher shops are also about the only place i've been able to find lean or extra lean ground beef that don't contain some percentage of 'reconstituted meat products', that pink slime shit.

I was with you on the first paragraph, but have never had difficulty finding genuine ground beef free of LFTB/pink slime.

All beef labeled organic will be free of the additive, and CostCo, Kroger, and Whole Foods (at least) never use it. There's also a cattle collective in my home state, all the grocers around me carry it, and they never use pink slime.

I think it's a scandal that it's allowed to be slipped in without labeling the addition. But there are a lot of places which carry the genuine article.

Re: The butcher's shop that lasted 300 years (give or take)

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Post by mothsonasloth » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 8:48 AM UTC

Covid showed me that decentralisation is the way to go (at least in terms of food in the UK).

I had prepped well but there's always a few things you need and crave. In those times searching the big stores you will be unlucky.

However the local butchers, corner shops were ok. Plus you discover some treats that you don't get in the supermarket (Lorne sausage, freshly baked rolls/baps/barms/whatever you call them locally).

Can't wait to see what economists research on shopping habits over the year 2020.

Re: The butcher's shop that lasted 300 years (give or take)

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Post by lebaux » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 9:00 AM UTC

mothsonasloth wrote: post #12

Covid showed me that decentralisation is the way to go (at least in terms of food in the UK). I had prepped well but there's always a few things you need and crave. In those times searching the big stores you will be unlucky. However the local butchers, corner shops were ok. Plus you discover some treats that you don't get in the supermarket (Lorne sausage, freshly baked rolls/baps/barms/whatever you call them locall…

To be fair if Covid really showed anything it is that we shouldn't eat animals.

Re: The butcher's shop that lasted 300 years (give or take)

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Post by fxj » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 9:02 AM UTC

jansan wrote: post #8

fxj wrote: post #7

Hofpfisterei is a chain of bakery shops, headquartered in Munich, Bavaria, Germany. Its business focuses on southern Germany. It has 163 branches and employs about 950 people. Its history reaches back to the year 1331 when the mill Toratsmühle was mentioned for the first time. It must have existed before that date. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofpfisterei

I once talked to a farmer south of Munich who claimed to have documents showing that his farm belonged to his family since the early 12th century. Society must have been really stable there for a long time. Also, he told me that he is very unhappy with high land prices around Munich. He could be a multi-millionaire immediately by selling his land, but his familiy tradition does not allow this. Due to the high land pr…

Japan has the most stable environment for companies. In the list of the oldest 5 worldwide the japanese companies were founded in 578 until 771 AD, which makes them more than 1400 years old!

According to a report published by the Bank of Korea in 2008 that looked at 41 countries, there were 5,586 companies older than 200 years.

3,146 (56%) are in Japan

837 (15%) in Germany

222 (4%) in the Netherlands

196 (3%) in France

Of the companies with more than 100 years of history, most of them (89%) employ fewer than 300 people. A nationwide Japanese survey counted more than 21,000 companies older than 100 years as of September 30, 2009.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oldest_companies

Re: The butcher's shop that lasted 300 years (give or take)

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Post by jansan » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 9:10 AM UTC

fxj wrote: post #14

jansan wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I once talked to a farmer south of Munich who claimed to have documents showing that his farm belonged to his family since the early 12th century. Society must have been really stable there for a long time. Also, he told me that he is very unhappy with high land prices around Munich. He could be a multi-millionaire immediately by selling his land, but his familiy tradition does not allow this. Due to the high land pr…

Japan has the most stable environment for companies. In the list of the oldest 5 worldwide the japanese companies were founded in 578 until 771 AD, which makes them more than 1400 years old! According to a report published by the Bank of Korea in 2008 that looked at 41 countries, there were 5,586 companies older than 200 years. 3,146 (56%) are in Japan 837 (15%) in Germany 222 (4%) in the Netherlands 196 (3%) in Fran…

The list contains a few pharmacies from the 14th century that are still in business. Quite impressive, I really wonder what they were selling more than 600 years ago.

Re: The butcher's shop that lasted 300 years (give or take)

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Post by mothsonasloth » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 9:16 AM UTC

lebaux wrote: post #13

mothsonasloth wrote: post #12

Covid showed me that decentralisation is the way to go (at least in terms of food in the UK). I had prepped well but there's always a few things you need and crave. In those times searching the big stores you will be unlucky. However the local butchers, corner shops were ok. Plus you discover some treats that you don't get in the supermarket (Lorne sausage, freshly baked rolls/baps/barms/whatever you call them locall…

To be fair if Covid really showed anything it is that we shouldn't eat animals.

You clearly haven't tried Lorne sausage if you think that :)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorne_sausage

Re: The butcher's shop that lasted 300 years (give or take)

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Post by pjc50 » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 9:24 AM UTC

jansan wrote: post #8

fxj wrote: post #7

Hofpfisterei is a chain of bakery shops, headquartered in Munich, Bavaria, Germany. Its business focuses on southern Germany. It has 163 branches and employs about 950 people. Its history reaches back to the year 1331 when the mill Toratsmühle was mentioned for the first time. It must have existed before that date. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hofpfisterei

I once talked to a farmer south of Munich who claimed to have documents showing that his farm belonged to his family since the early 12th century. Society must have been really stable there for a long time. Also, he told me that he is very unhappy with high land prices around Munich. He could be a multi-millionaire immediately by selling his land, but his familiy tradition does not allow this. Due to the high land pr…

> Society must have been really stable there for a long time.

> South of Munich

Bavaria is interesting; I was wondering how it would have fared as the various armies swept Europe in those eight centuries - Thirty Years War, Hundred Years War, and so on, but Bavaria seems to have been astonishing stable apart from a few incursions by Sweden and Napoleon.

Per wikipedia, "The Wittelsbach dynasty ruled Bavaria without interruption from 1180AD until 1918AD."

Re: The butcher's shop that lasted 300 years (give or take)

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Post by zshev » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 9:56 AM UTC

mothsonasloth wrote: post #16

lebaux wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair if Covid really showed anything it is that we shouldn't eat animals.

You clearly haven't tried Lorne sausage if you think that :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorne_sausage

Agreed! I've emigrated to Australia and have taken to shipping over butchers rusk to make my own Lorne (I'd call it slice) sausage.

Re: The butcher's shop that lasted 300 years (give or take)

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Post by fsloth » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 10:01 AM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #17

jansan wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I once talked to a farmer south of Munich who claimed to have documents showing that his farm belonged to his family since the early 12th century. Society must have been really stable there for a long time. Also, he told me that he is very unhappy with high land prices around Munich. He could be a multi-millionaire immediately by selling his land, but his familiy tradition does not allow this. Due to the high land pr…

> Society must have been really stable there for a long time. > South of Munich Bavaria is interesting; I was wondering how it would have fared as the various armies swept Europe in those eight centuries - Thirty Years War, Hundred Years War, and so on, but Bavaria seems to have been astonishing stable apart from a few incursions by Sweden and Napoleon. Per wikipedia, "The Wittelsbach dynasty ruled Bavaria without in…

Basically entire Europe was a warzone from the end of the Roman period to... oh, Ukraine.. well, Europe still is a warzone but much less so now than in the past centuries.

The middle ages wars didn't really involve the population. They were more a matter of aristocracy. Cities were raized, since those where the way to control land, but you generally left the peasants and their lords alone.

Peasants really didn't care who was the king. Nationalism was not a concept yet! Somebody was your liege lord since feudal competition abhors vacuum, but you didn't have much say in it. He probably didn't even speak your language.

They way medieval states handled their state business was that more or less, you had the king, the king had a large box called the "treasury", and then the aristocrats who had bent the knee for the king brought taxes to that box.

These barons and whatnots then extracted some surplus from the land as taxes for themselves, and for the king.

But this was really inefficient in pre-bureaucratic times! The state could maybe utilize 1 percent of the output since nobody knew how much a person produced, so everything was very, very, approximate.

So basically the 'state' and the 'people' were quite disconnected, and wars mostly affected the 'state' and not the people that much.

Wars really were a way to extend policy - which meant basically kings competed from what area they could command the nobility to carry taxes for them.

There was none of this 'total war' business. There were no industries to destroy, no population whose morale to pummel - since the morale of the population did not matter!

Re: The butcher's shop that lasted 300 years (give or take)

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Post by Ichthypresbyter » Thu, Sep 03, 2020, 10:22 AM UTC

mothsonasloth wrote: post #12

Covid showed me that decentralisation is the way to go (at least in terms of food in the UK). I had prepped well but there's always a few things you need and crave. In those times searching the big stores you will be unlucky. However the local butchers, corner shops were ok. Plus you discover some treats that you don't get in the supermarket (Lorne sausage, freshly baked rolls/baps/barms/whatever you call them locall…

It's already been found that small shops in the Netherlands have seen an increase in sales, according to this article (in Dutch):

https://nos.nl/artikel/2342691-het-gaat-goed-met-de-bakker-g...

A study by the market organisation GfK found that butchers and greengrocers saw a 30 to 40 percent increase in sales (sales of the same products in supermarkets also increased, but not by as much). Bakers also saw their sales go up.