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Intel Launches 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake

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Re: Intel Launches 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake

#91

From a quick read, in case anyone is wondering, this is built on the latest-gen 10nm process which is a refinement on the previous 10nm process. Intel's goal was to focus on clock increases, so the instruction per clock is apparently not much changed. From looking at the tables, the whole line of processors appear to have nicely improved one core max clock speeds, which should hopefully help single core performance,…

There's only 15-20% IPC increase from Ivy Bridge (which a 2012 Macbook Pro would've used) to Skylake, there's a similar increase once again to Ice Lake but the clock has actually dropped from 2.5 to 2.0 at least on the 13" side (at least that's what everymac tells me). It is only the core count that shows an increase and their use case might not be more than two cores.

Re: Intel Launches 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake

#93

Since I'm not a gamer or CPU-news-watcher, would anyone be able to put this in context? Is this: -- a major improvement in power efficiency, heat? -- major gain in speed (and who is the consumer concerned with this) Seems like everyone is more concerned with GPU capability as the bottleneck for whatever application these days.

> power efficiency

A bit, yeah

> heat

just enough to make a laptop 0.5mm thinner in order to have it PROCHOT throttle a lot of the time

> major gain in speed

Not noticeable by anyone. That's been the case for years, since everything Intel has is an improvement upon Haswell/Skylake.

> GPU

For anyone who cares about GPUs, these processors will be paired with some nVidia or (unlikely) AMD chips, so they'll be unused, just like most Intel IGPs.

Re: Intel Launches 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake

#94
I wonder how much these will be deliberately crippled by laptop manufacturers putting them in systems with barely adequate cooling and/or turning down the power limits far below what they can actually handle.

I have heard others with relatively recent laptops say they see the CPU go into power/thermal limiting if they barely exercise it with a few seconds of compilation. The power limit can be worked around with utilities, the thermal one not so much...

Re: Intel Launches 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake

#95

Since I'm not a gamer or CPU-news-watcher, would anyone be able to put this in context? Is this: -- a major improvement in power efficiency, heat? -- major gain in speed (and who is the consumer concerned with this) Seems like everyone is more concerned with GPU capability as the bottleneck for whatever application these days.

This is a nothing burger. Intel doesn't have anything. AMD pwnd them throughly and they are desperately trying to and failing to match them. That is all.

Please note the lack of shipping dates and the positioning of these at "premier consumer" laptops meaning they can't produce enough still -- who the heck wants an 1500 USD IdeaPad? What's the point when the X1 Carbon Gen 7 is 1200 USD? You can spin that as "but that's previous generation" as if it meant anything at all. On the business side (14nm CPUs they can make plenty of), Intel hasn't produced anything new for three years now, they just change the labels so they announce something "new".

Re: Intel Launches 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake

#98
post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

L3 cache is under the "Coherent Fabric" block (it's the 12MB Last Level Cache thing).

I'm talking about this image: https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16063/474551355-Intel-Blue... I don't see any coherent fabric blocks — what looks like large cache sections to my eyes are entirely inside the "Core" blocks. Maybe they're just not drawn correctly. Here are some much older i7s, for example: https://www.cs.uaf.edu/2009/fall/cs441/proj1/russell/images/... https://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_migrated/p…

The labeling on that image is... approximate. You can see the orange L3 blocks inside the area labeled as cores and it's still shared.

Re: Intel Launches 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake

#99
post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

L3 cache is under the "Coherent Fabric" block (it's the 12MB Last Level Cache thing).

I'm talking about this image: https://images.anandtech.com/doci/16063/474551355-Intel-Blue... I don't see any coherent fabric blocks — what looks like large cache sections to my eyes are entirely inside the "Core" blocks. Maybe they're just not drawn correctly. Here are some much older i7s, for example: https://www.cs.uaf.edu/2009/fall/cs441/proj1/russell/images/... https://www.notebookcheck.net/fileadmin/_migrated/p…

I found another annotated shot of your anandtech shot:

https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/Intel-Ti...

Looks like ya, the L3 cache is "inside" the core blocks.

Re: Intel Launches 11th Gen Core Tiger Lake

#100

I wonder how much these will be deliberately crippled by laptop manufacturers putting them in systems with barely adequate cooling and/or turning down the power limits far below what they can actually handle. I have heard others with relatively recent laptops say they see the CPU go into power/thermal limiting if they barely exercise it with a few seconds of compilation. The power limit can be worked around with util…

The point of Athena/EVO is to prevent this. Craptops won't get the EVO sticker.
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