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Re: Why Privacy Matters

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Post by wnd_pn »

devanon wrote: post #76
wnd_pn wrote: post #37

I totally agree with you. Unfortunately as of today, people are not putting enough attention on who they give their sensitive information to. Data breaches are increasing in number, billion of accounts are hacked every day (I just discovered one of my side-accounts got hacked through https://haveibeenpwned.com/ ), nevertheless the majority of us is still not protecting its data properly (perhaps the problem relies on…

https://privacytoolslist.com/#leak-test-tools full list of such tools and many others. And protonmail is anti-privacy. They have access to emails and happy to give access to any data on demand

Hi Devanon, why would you say so? Rather than the fact that it's not a decentralized service, it still ticks many of the boxes that make the service very private and secure: 1. it's open source 2. They use end-to-end encryption 3. No personal information is required to create an account

Can you explain your position please?

Re: Why Privacy Matters

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Post by wnd_pn »

AzuraJergen wrote: post #82
wnd_pn wrote: post #37

I totally agree with you. Unfortunately as of today, people are not putting enough attention on who they give their sensitive information to. Data breaches are increasing in number, billion of accounts are hacked every day (I just discovered one of my side-accounts got hacked through https://haveibeenpwned.com/ ), nevertheless the majority of us is still not protecting its data properly (perhaps the problem relies on…

Even when you do intentionally accept to give your sensitive information to X player, you don't what other players will get their hands on that data, whether through breaches, sale of information, etc.

I don't understand your position, can you explain yourself better?

Re: Why Privacy Matters

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Post by matz1 »

auslegung wrote: post #90
matz1 wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The solution for the credit card problem would be hard but there are plenty of situation where the solution is not that inconceivable. One way that it may work is if there is way you can trace any transaction good enough so that you can't use the credit card number without revealing yourself. Another example would be if I'm gay. This information can be used to really hurt me in the past but not so much these days. Su…

I agree it would be best to address the reasons why people hurt each other with information (such as someone who is gay) but the unfortunate reality is that will never happen, not until 100% of our population is virtuous, and that’s impossible. And while it may be less damaging today to be identified as gay than it was 20 years ago, in the United States it is now becoming more damaging to be in the majority than it w…

> that will never happen

That will never happen if there is no effort to make it happen.

> 100% of our population is virtuous

Yes that is impossible, I never made or require that assumption.

Re: Why Privacy Matters

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Post by haylem »

That grandfather and two of his brothers left [...] with no plan [...]. They were helped by strangers and survived. Their mother however, along with two other siblings, had a plan. They had a deal with a smuggler [...] and all 3 of them died in deportation. Lesson: each person who has information on you represents an additional chance for it to be leaked.

This puzzles me... The paragraph clearly states that the grandfather had contacts with strangers (and we can then assume there was some exchange of information of some kind), and the ending was positive, whereas another exchange with a single point of contact had a negative outcome. But goes on to present as a lesson that the chance of a negative outcome increases with the number of contacts.

I see the point the author is trying to make, but I think this part fails to prove it satisfyingly. It either doesn't prove anything, or it's missing key information (shared information with the strangers and the smugglers) to support the point. To me, it proves that luck (and maybe the grand-father's ability to be a good judge of character in picking which strangers to rely on) were more likely deciding factors.

(Or that having no plan helps. But that's for a different perspective.)

Re: Why Privacy Matters

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Post by auslegung »

matz1 wrote: post #93
auslegung wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree it would be best to address the reasons why people hurt each other with information (such as someone who is gay) but the unfortunate reality is that will never happen, not until 100% of our population is virtuous, and that’s impossible. And while it may be less damaging today to be identified as gay than it was 20 years ago, in the United States it is now becoming more damaging to be in the majority than it w…

> that will never happen That will never happen if there is no effort to make it happen. > 100% of our population is virtuous Yes that is impossible, I never made or require that assumption.

I’m concerned you’re grossly naïve if you think this can happen. It isn’t a matter of effort. Yes it will require all of the population to be virtuous, otherwise a single friend, or even acquaintance can hurt someone because of what they know. How is that not obvious? They can mock someone for their preference of beer, or sexual identity, or height, etc to such an extent that they would commit suicide.

Re: Why Privacy Matters

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Post by matz1 »

auslegung wrote: post #95
matz1 wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that will never happen That will never happen if there is no effort to make it happen. > 100% of our population is virtuous Yes that is impossible, I never made or require that assumption.

I’m concerned you’re grossly naïve if you think this can happen. It isn’t a matter of effort. Yes it will require all of the population to be virtuous, otherwise a single friend, or even acquaintance can hurt someone because of what they know. How is that not obvious? They can mock someone for their preference of beer, or sexual identity, or height, etc to such an extent that they would commit suicide.

Privacy or no privacy, there are always be someone who is trying to hurt someone.
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