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Overcoming Impostor Syndrome

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Re: Overcoming Impostor Syndrome

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>For others trying to overcome impostor syndrome, consider this: that you have benefited from multiple strokes of luck that have no basis on your actual ability or performance is highly unlikely. It's much more likely that you've gotten to where you are because of your achievements.

uhh, dammit. not helping.

Re: Overcoming Impostor Syndrome

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I'm my own worst critic. I'm never satisfied. Despite countless praise, I always focus on the critique. What can I do better? I'm far too hard on myself, but it's hard to be anything but that. For me, the problem is I focus on what I don't know rather than what I do know. I see what I know as common knowledge, and figure everyone knows it. I see people doing really cool things, and ignore the stuff I've done in the past. So I worry that maybe all the good things people say are merely because I'm good at hiding my inefficiencies.

It's easy to realize you have these problems. The problem though, is it an impostor syndrome, or are you really an impostor? Considering you are always seeing your work as less than perfect, it's easy to believe the latter.

I see this in so much that I do. I cannot just enjoy learning something new. I have to learn the right way, and that means understanding everything. If I'm learning a new language, my first inclination is to rewrite the Hello World example that's posted, because it's not right. So I skip past the introduction and start looking for implementing things properly.

I accept in others supposed deficiencies that I do not tolerate in myself, and it holds me back.

It is, I believe, my greatest weakness.

Re: Overcoming Impostor Syndrome

#13
>In college, I never took a course on Compilers or Programming Languages...

>I got the job through a summer internship, which allowed me to bypass the rigorous 8-interviews-in-a-day hiring process. And I lucked out... completely escaped having to code over the phone.

I'm not trying to troll. However, I honestly do consider you landing a Google engineering internship/job with those school background (and zero coding experience outside of school up to that point) being pretty lucky. Consider this guy[1]. I believe he would've most likely gotten the internship had he gone through the same interview process as you. I know that's just my subjective opinion. However, the bottom line is he went through a very different (arguably harder) interview process than you did. It's harder in the sense you could have very well failed had you been asked to code over google doc + phone. The key factor here is this process that Google uses everyday to turn down countless competent but not extraordinary people - you did not have to go through it. That is the basis I deem you lucky.

There is a certain level of respect (among other befits) given to former or current Google engineers among hackers. And I would argue that is the case largely because of the very difficult process that they had to through to become one. I can totally understand why you had the sense of inferiority and insecurity of your coding abilities, having not gone through that process.

Of course none of this makes your point of everyone is good at different things and you should not beat yourself up any less significant. I agree with you on most other points. I'm also happy for you that you've overcome these self defeating thoughts and have proven to yourself. As some one else mentioned in the comments, the problem was you being you own toughest critic.

[1]: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2384018

Re: Overcoming Impostor Syndrome

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post #13

>In college, I never took a course on Compilers or Programming Languages... >I got the job through a summer internship, which allowed me to bypass the rigorous 8-interviews-in-a-day hiring process. And I lucked out... completely escaped having to code over the phone. I'm not trying to troll. However, I honestly do consider you landing a Google engineering internship/job with those school background (and zero coding e…

hiring processes depend a lot on luck, way more than maybe we'd like to think, mostly based on who you know and whether the person across the table 'likes' you or not, and what positions are available. but she succeeded in the real world internship position she held and did good enough work that other people vouched for her to become an employee. that probably wasn't a 'lucky break' at all.

Re: Overcoming Impostor Syndrome

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post #13

>In college, I never took a course on Compilers or Programming Languages... >I got the job through a summer internship, which allowed me to bypass the rigorous 8-interviews-in-a-day hiring process. And I lucked out... completely escaped having to code over the phone. I'm not trying to troll. However, I honestly do consider you landing a Google engineering internship/job with those school background (and zero coding e…

I think that a large amount of things like getting internships is luck. You have to be good, yes, but you also have to be lucky.

But what you do with the opportunity that you were lucky to get is up to you.

Re: Overcoming Impostor Syndrome

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post #13

>In college, I never took a course on Compilers or Programming Languages... >I got the job through a summer internship, which allowed me to bypass the rigorous 8-interviews-in-a-day hiring process. And I lucked out... completely escaped having to code over the phone. I'm not trying to troll. However, I honestly do consider you landing a Google engineering internship/job with those school background (and zero coding e…

This of course brings to mind Yegge's interview loop theory: http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2008/03/get-that-job-at-goog...

Re: Overcoming Impostor Syndrome

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post #8

Too bad I can't admit to feeling a bit of relief upon learning about the impostor syndrome, since doing so would certainly out me as the fraud I am.

Hah I had the exact same feeling of relief upon learning that this was an actual thing. But yah, don't tell anyone that.

Re: Overcoming Impostor Syndrome

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post #13

>In college, I never took a course on Compilers or Programming Languages... >I got the job through a summer internship, which allowed me to bypass the rigorous 8-interviews-in-a-day hiring process. And I lucked out... completely escaped having to code over the phone. I'm not trying to troll. However, I honestly do consider you landing a Google engineering internship/job with those school background (and zero coding e…

There are a lot of good programmers that don't code for fun outside of class. I didn't code in my internship interviews, but I certainly did during my 12 week internship, and the two conversion interviews I had at the end of the internship. Whether or not that was harder than that guy's interview process is debatable, but that's the way I looked at for awhile.

Re: Overcoming Impostor Syndrome

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

according to wikipedia, this is called the "dunning-kruger effect": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect

That is a related but different phenomenon. What you're looking for is called "self-serving bias." https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Self-serving_... The dunning-kruger effect is much more subtle than that, take another look at the wiki article on it. Also related, the actor-observer bias, which describes the opposite effect, and has had more research done on it. This is a common problem in psychology, h…

ah yes that does seem more accurate. thanks!

Re: Overcoming Impostor Syndrome

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post #16
post #13

>In college, I never took a course on Compilers or Programming Languages... >I got the job through a summer internship, which allowed me to bypass the rigorous 8-interviews-in-a-day hiring process. And I lucked out... completely escaped having to code over the phone. I'm not trying to troll. However, I honestly do consider you landing a Google engineering internship/job with those school background (and zero coding e…

This of course brings to mind Yegge's interview loop theory: http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2008/03/get-that-job-at-goog...

Argh, and I was contemplating applying for a product manager role at google. After reading this i wont be applying anytime soon -it's been over 10 years since I studied data structures and algorithms.
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