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Pentagon: China Now Has World’s Largest Navy

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Re: Pentagon: China Now Has World’s Largest Navy

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Number of warships is meaningless, given the US probably doesn't even bother including patrol boats in the count. Gross tonnage or number of capital ships over a specific tonnage would be a better comparison.

True, but I doubt that is a good measure either. Production and logistical capabilities of missiles is probably more important. Large ships like carriers are very vulnerable and heavy pieces of metal to direct missile attacks or modern subs.

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Instead of endlessly rehashing Blade Runner and ripping off Neuromancer, it would be nice to see film and TV execs produce something about the what the future world will look like when it’s dominated by the Chinese Communist Party. They won’t though because the Chinese Communist Party is fucking scary and doesn’t take to being commented on. All those little plastic widgets and cheap clothes we import are paying for t…

China's plans aren't a big secret. There's Made In China 2025.[1] The 14th Five Year Plan is being drafted now. Unlike the USSR, China was reasonably successful in meeting the goals of the 13 Five Year Plans so far, with the notable exception of the Great Leap Forward fiasco of the 1960s.

The Made In China 2025 plan focuses on pharmaceutical, automotive, aerospace, semiconductor, IT and robotics manufacturing. The goal is to have a state of the art position in all those fields by 2025.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Made_in_China_2025

Re: Pentagon: China Now Has World’s Largest Navy

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I wonder how much of the hundreds millions (billions?) of dollars China was able to save due its status as a "developing economy" contributed to its massive military buildup. Or for that matter, that high priority for all developing economies, putting a lander on the moon. https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3004873/c...

China is a big country and large parts are still "developing". But because it is so large, other parts are capable of landing things on the Moon.

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China Military spending 2019: $261 billion, or 1.9% GDP US Military spending in 2019: $732 billion, or 3.4% GDP China leapfrogged the U.S. by spending a little less than one third of what the US squandered. Just let that sink in. Oh and you know what China really is spending its money on, instead of militarized local police forces? Research. China R&D spending in 2018: 4.11% of GDP. U.S. R&D spending in 2016 and max…

“China leapfrogged the U.S. ...” Or maybe not and this is just pentagon propaganda to suck up more funding.

Re: Pentagon: China Now Has World’s Largest Navy

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China Military spending 2019: $261 billion, or 1.9% GDP US Military spending in 2019: $732 billion, or 3.4% GDP China leapfrogged the U.S. by spending a little less than one third of what the US squandered. Just let that sink in. Oh and you know what China really is spending its money on, instead of militarized local police forces? Research. China R&D spending in 2018: 4.11% of GDP. U.S. R&D spending in 2016 and max…

China has not “leapfrogged the US military”, you are comparing dissimilar numbers. If you want to compare the real power of a navy, you’re better off comparing warship tonnages, while taking into account the force-multiplier effect of forward operating bases. China has many, smaller ships than the USA, and far less power projection capability, especially when it comes to naval aviation.

Re: Pentagon: China Now Has World’s Largest Navy

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Instead of endlessly rehashing Blade Runner and ripping off Neuromancer, it would be nice to see film and TV execs produce something about the what the future world will look like when it’s dominated by the Chinese Communist Party. They won’t though because the Chinese Communist Party is fucking scary and doesn’t take to being commented on. All those little plastic widgets and cheap clothes we import are paying for t…

Don't we have that already? Star Wars has always been the story of authoritarian governments, hasn't it? A lot of the aesthetics looked like they are meant to portray the Nazis, but the empire lacks (to my knowledge, I'm not really into it) the "we must exterminate the undesirables" part and feels much closer like an authoritarian power that branches out and suppresses dissent, classical empire stuff, but without the…

Star Wars is fantasy. It lacks the bite of hard speculative fiction.

To quote William Gibson “the future is already here it’s just not well diffused yet”.

So what will our world really look like if we extrapolate from now?

I’ll bet it’s less neon and flying cars and more boarded up retail shops and government sponsored troll farms.

The CCP isn’t building this navy for fun.

Does anything China’s done recently make you think they lack ambition?

Just look at the extent of their fishing operations.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/jul/27/chinese-...

Re: Pentagon: China Now Has World’s Largest Navy

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China Military spending 2019: $261 billion, or 1.9% GDP US Military spending in 2019: $732 billion, or 3.4% GDP China leapfrogged the U.S. by spending a little less than one third of what the US squandered. Just let that sink in. Oh and you know what China really is spending its money on, instead of militarized local police forces? Research. China R&D spending in 2018: 4.11% of GDP. U.S. R&D spending in 2016 and max…

China spends a lot in the US, too. Raytheon, Lockheed Martin and Boeing all sell lots to the PLA.

We are arming our enemies.

Re: Pentagon: China Now Has World’s Largest Navy

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post #6

I wonder how much of the hundreds millions (billions?) of dollars China was able to save due its status as a "developing economy" contributed to its massive military buildup. Or for that matter, that high priority for all developing economies, putting a lander on the moon. https://www.scmp.com/economy/china-economy/article/3004873/c...

China is a big country and large parts are still "developing". But because it is so large, other parts are capable of landing things on the Moon.

Lol

Re: Pentagon: China Now Has World’s Largest Navy

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post #28

China Military spending 2019: $261 billion, or 1.9% GDP US Military spending in 2019: $732 billion, or 3.4% GDP China leapfrogged the U.S. by spending a little less than one third of what the US squandered. Just let that sink in. Oh and you know what China really is spending its money on, instead of militarized local police forces? Research. China R&D spending in 2018: 4.11% of GDP. U.S. R&D spending in 2016 and max…

China spends a lot in the US, too. Raytheon, Lockheed Martin and Boeing all sell lots to the PLA. We are arming our enemies.

I’m not sure they really count as enemies when we are so economically integrated. It’s more like the nations are two bickering heads on a Cerberus.
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