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Re: Bottlerocket, an open source Linux distribution built to run containers

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Post by sanxiyn »

fnord77 wrote: post #99
NathanKP wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi I'm a developer advocate in the container engineering org at AWS. I think there are a few misunderstandings here that I may be able to explain better. First Bottlerocket is not Amazon Linux 2, it is its own minimal operating system, with most components built from the ground up in Rust. This is totally different than the Amazon Linux 2 you may be familiar with (and most other operating systems for that matter). Bo…

Hi - Does bottlerocket use glibc or something else?

As you can see here https://github.com/bottlerocket-os/bottlerocket/tree/develop..., Bottlerocket uses glibc.

Re: Bottlerocket, an open source Linux distribution built to run containers

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Post by branzo »

wmf wrote: post #41
mnd999 wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you saw CoreOS and thought “Let’s re:invent that wheel”?

So did every other vendor. We have two CoreOSes, Flatcar, Container-Optimized OS from Google, Bottlerocket, k3OS, etc. Fortunately these aren't just different in name; there's a lot of experimentation going on around different ways to do updates, security, etc. I hope we'll eventually see some convergence after a few years.

Two CoreOSes? The one being Fedora CoreOS and the other..?

Re: Bottlerocket, an open source Linux distribution built to run containers

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Post by branzo »

freedomben wrote: post #91
rosywoozlechan wrote: post #61

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Red Hat bought the company that created CoreOS so it's not surprising they have Red Hat/Fedora supported versions right?

Yep, very much agree. Container Linux was still very young and growing, but had some great promise. Incorporating the tech into RHEL and Fedora was a great idea IMHO. I think CoreOS was acquired for that specific purpose personally.

Not sure. To me Flatcar brings the original CoreOS spirit..

Re: Bottlerocket, an open source Linux distribution built to run containers

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Post by boojing »

NathanKP wrote: post #42
WrtCdEvrydy wrote: post #40

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Question: Will this be an AMI that can be deployed as an ECS cluster recipient on EC2? End Question.

Yes! It already is in fact. The ECS documentation provides the list of Bottlerocket AMI's you can launch into your ECS clusters: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonECS/latest/developerguide/... I'd also recommend reading the ECS quickstart in the Bottlerocket repo: https://github.com/bottlerocket-os/bottlerocket/blob/develop...

Does Fargate use Bottlerocket?

Re: Bottlerocket, an open source Linux distribution built to run containers

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Post by hakre »

NathanKP wrote: post #12
solatic wrote: post #3

As strong as the engineering behind Bottlerocket seems to be, I'm not entirely sure who they built it for, except as a foundational component for AWS's managed offerings. If you, as an AWS customer, decide to fully embrace AWS lock-in, then why would you run this yourself on an EC2 instance instead of running ECS or EKS? If you're trying to avoid AWS lock-in, why would you choose an OS that's locking you into AWS Sys…

Hi I'm a developer advocate in the container engineering org at AWS. I think there are a few misunderstandings here that I may be able to explain better. First Bottlerocket is not Amazon Linux 2, it is its own minimal operating system, with most components built from the ground up in Rust. This is totally different than the Amazon Linux 2 you may be familiar with (and most other operating systems for that matter). Bo…

In the intended anyone, anywhere (specifically you wrote outside AWS) scenario you describe, is AWS offering professional support for Bottlerocket?

Re: Bottlerocket, an open source Linux distribution built to run containers

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Post by usrusr »

simonebrunozzi wrote: post #50
cle wrote: post #28

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I wish the blog post was just this. So much clearer. Thank you.

Amazon's PR would have not allowed that.

But isn't a "developer advocate" trawling social media for opportunities to dump clarifications also a form of PR? It seems as if data tech has co-evolved the "good cop/bad cop" pattern. I'm not complaining though, so much better than "bad cop" alone.

Re: Bottlerocket, an open source Linux distribution built to run containers

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Post by fsflover »

NathanKP wrote: post #12
solatic wrote: post #3

As strong as the engineering behind Bottlerocket seems to be, I'm not entirely sure who they built it for, except as a foundational component for AWS's managed offerings. If you, as an AWS customer, decide to fully embrace AWS lock-in, then why would you run this yourself on an EC2 instance instead of running ECS or EKS? If you're trying to avoid AWS lock-in, why would you choose an OS that's locking you into AWS Sys…

Hi I'm a developer advocate in the container engineering org at AWS. I think there are a few misunderstandings here that I may be able to explain better. First Bottlerocket is not Amazon Linux 2, it is its own minimal operating system, with most components built from the ground up in Rust. This is totally different than the Amazon Linux 2 you may be familiar with (and most other operating systems for that matter). Bo…

> Bottlerocket is optimized for running containers with high security isolation. The host OS is extremely minimal, it does not come with bash, an interpreter, ssh, or anything beyond the system basics needed to run containers. In fact it uses an immutable root filesystem. You aren't intended to run or install things directly on the host at all.Bottlerocket is optimized for running containers with high security isolation. The host OS is extremely minimal, it does not come with bash, an interpreter, ssh, or anything beyond the system basics needed to run containers. In fact it uses an immutable root filesystem. You aren't intended to run or install things directly on the host at all.

Sounds exactly like Qubes OS [0], but the latter is probably much more secure (based on Xen and VT-d). So in comparison Bottlerocket seems like trading some of security for performance.

[0] https://qubes-os.org

Re: Bottlerocket, an open source Linux distribution built to run containers

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Post by Bombthecat »

branzo wrote: post #102
wmf wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So did every other vendor. We have two CoreOSes, Flatcar, Container-Optimized OS from Google, Bottlerocket, k3OS, etc. Fortunately these aren't just different in name; there's a lot of experimentation going on around different ways to do updates, security, etc. I hope we'll eventually see some convergence after a few years.

Two CoreOSes? The one being Fedora CoreOS and the other..?

Dead :)

Re: Bottlerocket, an open source Linux distribution built to run containers

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Post by cverna »

yahooligan2230 wrote: post #96
robszumski wrote: post #89

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As a former CoreOS (now Red Hat) employee, I'm glad to hear of your success with the product and it's awesome to see that scale giving you time back in your day to concentrate on the big picture.

Not at all happy with things right now. You guys abruptly killed CoreOS which was great and left us to fend for ourselves. Fedora CoreOS doesn’t cut it and we don’t want open shift. We will need to move to either bottle-rocket or flatcar. A team member evaluated both and we leaning towards b-rocket since flatcar has a higher risk of dying by running out of funding during COVID (seen this movie before with CoreOS). Am…

What does not cut it in Fedora CoreOS ? (Just Curious as a Fedora contributor) Also what could be improved ?

Re: Bottlerocket, an open source Linux distribution built to run containers

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Post by pjmlp »

chromedev wrote: post #15
senthilnayagam wrote: post #8

I remember reading last week linux plumber conference agreed to allow rust in linux kernel . but these guys have built an OS in rust.

Did you even read the blog post? This is running Linux, and only the AWS software-components running on it are largely written in Rust. It is still Linux and the OS is not written in Rust, nor the container daemon and probably none of the non-AWS software packages.

Most available userspace seems to be a mix of Rust and Go, except for existing stuff written in C like LinuxSE.
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