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Airline pilots landing at LAX report “a guy in jetpack” flying alongside them

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Re: Airline pilots landing at LAX report “a guy in jetpack” flying alongside them

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Those are a lot cheaper than I expected them to be

Swiwin makes even cheaper, more powerful ones. 6000$ retail for a 400N jet. Though, it is a Chinese company, so I would test the engines pretty carefully and a carry a parachute just in case.

The trouble with jetpacks is that there is a large dead zone in the flight envelope. Too high to survive a crash but too low for a parachute to be effective.

Re: Airline pilots landing at LAX report “a guy in jetpack” flying alongside them

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"Only in LA." at 6:15.

“Or Louisiana” a few seconds after.

[7:46]

ATC: Traffic off to your right, north complex, the airplane. Traffic to your SOUTH, do you see anything out there?

Pilot: We've got the traffic in sight, and we're looking for the, err, jetpack guy

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Well at the risk of sounding pedantic, things on rails - railways, metro/subway etc. are not in same category.

That chap tried to hit the USNS Mercy Hospital Ship with his cargo locomotive because he thought it was a human experimentation ship https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-military/2020/04/02/trai... Would have been top news if it weren't for the fact that America was reeling from an explosion of cases in the COVID19 pandemic.

texting while driving is also a concern for train engineers: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-train-crash/train-eng...

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Can you expand a little bit? I thought all ATC that talked to planes were in the towers.

A tower controller at an airport talks to planes in the air as they arrive and depart. They are in the tower so they can see the planes visually, and may also have radar available. Ground control also works in the tower, after all they have to be able to see the airport taxiways. They may also have a separate ground radar. They are only talking to planes on the ground. At a busy airport, these will be separate indivi…

Great explanation, thank you.

Re: Airline pilots landing at LAX report “a guy in jetpack” flying alongside them

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There are youtube videos of ATC recordings (with transcripts) of pilots losing their cool. You are right, I don't think any ATC lost their cool in any of the recordings I've listened to. This quote from the article made me smile: >> Another pilot chimed in: "Only in LA."

Not ATC but here's a classic viral recording of a frazzled ground controller herding cats at JFK airport in NY: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BMDkwfkXv0

Thanks for that! It's interesting (to me) that they descend (well, ascend!) into politeness with both pilots and controller addressing each other 'sir'.

Re: Airline pilots landing at LAX report “a guy in jetpack” flying alongside them

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As amusing as this is, it highlights how fragile air travel is -- someone managed to fly a 200 lb payload within a couple hundred feet of an airliner on final approach. And apparently did so anonymously since there was no mention of who or exactly what it was. It wouldn't be hard to maneuver it right in front of the airliner and cause a collision. While the aircraft would likely survive an engine strike, at only a fe…

A few /thousand/ feet AGL is more than enough time for the autothrottle to recover without the autopilot (or the PF) needing to sacrifice speed to maintain the glideslope (assuming no other systems on the plane were damaged, of course). At even 1000 feet, you're still more than a minute from touchdown, which is enough time for the PNF to recognise the problem and run the engine shutdown checklist. It would be much mo…

Definitely more detrimental on takeoff than on landing I would think.

Re: Airline pilots landing at LAX report “a guy in jetpack” flying alongside them

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Swiwin makes even cheaper, more powerful ones. 6000$ retail for a 400N jet. Though, it is a Chinese company, so I would test the engines pretty carefully and a carry a parachute just in case.

The trouble with jetpacks is that there is a large dead zone in the flight envelope. Too high to survive a crash but too low for a parachute to be effective.

Very true, but to be fair with four engines and a wing you'd need 3 engines to fail out of four to be in a catastrophic situation.

Re: Airline pilots landing at LAX report “a guy in jetpack” flying alongside them

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This has less to do with coolness than with the fact that the controller will most likely not be able to see the guy on the ASR, and I would assume that the guy has no transponder either. You can only control the airspace if you can see who/what is around.

I imagine the radar signature of a wingsuiter is pretty small, even if they have an exhaust-belching rocket strapped on the thing. How well do those show up on radar?

All of the conventional radar systems installed at airports are blind to this small human jetpack due to their limited resolution.

The newer type of radar for detecting debris exist at some airports but because of their main purpose is to monitor debris on the runaway it is only for short distance and not pointed to the sky.

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> Port/starboard is not used in aviation Some things seem to have been carried over though - you still almost always board an aircraft from the port side, don't you? And port/left is still a red light, and starboard/right is still a green light, on aircraft. A good way to remember all this is 'port is red and is passed to the left'.

In sailing, the red/green lights help determine right of way and give way. If to starboard red appear, tis your duty to keep clear. Red Right Returning is used for coming into port in the US. However, in Europe, Australia, New Zealand, parts of Africa and most of Asia it is the opposite. https://www.cruisingworld.com/red-right-returning/

I think that "red, right, returning" mnemonic is more about the buoys, not the lights on the bow of your boat.

Re: Airline pilots landing at LAX report “a guy in jetpack” flying alongside them

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ATCs have a reputation for never losing their cool and that really shines through here: “Tower, there’s a guy in a jetpack flying outside.” “Copy. To your left or your right?”

Incidentally, do pilots say left and right? They don't have a special word (port / starboard) like naval vessels?

Naval vessels also can and occasionally do use left/right when talking about some things (like heading changes) where the direction is expressed relative to the current heading, and would not be ambiguously interpretable. It's not common though.
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