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Re: The Legend of GayBlade

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Post by textfiles »

bhfasdhjgdgsuyv wrote: post #79
geofft wrote: post #64

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What does "probably" mean here? Does it mean "Here is the evidence-based argument why this is more plausible than that," or does it mean "I would be happier believing this than that"?

It's part of HN's tradition of gaslighting victims of demographically-targeted violence by ignoring any kind of context and pedantically claiming "it couldn't possibly have been $bad_thing". Of course, because being contrarian is more important than learning about the history of LGBT abuse.

Seconded.

Re: The Legend of GayBlade

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Post by tilolebo »

foxdev wrote: post #115
krige wrote: post #81

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Exhaustive or not, it is very wrong on quite a number of topics it claims to cover. For example Chun-Li being a first fully playable female video game character? No matter how you try to frame it is either wrong or extremely wrong.

Did they completely skip Metroid? Samus Aran showed up in 1986.

There were some images featured, not much more.

Re: The Legend of GayBlade

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Post by [deleted] »

everdumb wrote: post #12

When I was a child, Smear the Queer was a game all the boys played. Fag was a commonly used slur. When I was in high school the state of California told gay couples to go fuck themselves. Societal progress is a wonderful thing to see.

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Re: The Legend of GayBlade

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Post by notahacker »

rayiner wrote: post #118
notahacker wrote: post #112

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I think there were two elements. One was that gay marriage suddenly started happening in many places around the world and instead of dire warnings coming true, all the public heard were media reports of some happy couples getting married. The other was generational shift: a generation who had grown up when homosexual relations were unthinkable where even many left-leaning people felt the natural order was being distu…

The biggest swing in support of gay marriage was actually among the silent generation, with support nearly doubling from 2003 to 2013: https://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/20...

Interesting [and different from the UK data in many ways] but they're still more opposed than any of the other generations were, and it's pretty clear that increasingly supportive millenials taking over is the driving force. Especially when you consider that as well as becoming more heavily weighted in surveys of overall public opinion, millenials also went from being a political non-factor to compiling much of the media coverage of gay issues their generation and others consume over that time frame.

Re: The Legend of GayBlade

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Post by JohnBooty »

Pfhreak wrote: post #91
JohnBooty wrote: post #65

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This game has many, many regional names. I heard it called "smear the queer" but we usually called it other names. It's semi-interesting, though, that the "queer" was the one with the ball. It took serious guts to be the "queer" for any length of time - after all, it was you vs. everybody else trying to tackle you. The kids who spent the most time with the ball were the fastest, toughest kids. So "queer" was a slur b…

Queer, in particular, is a tough one. Obviously, smear the queer is an awful name for a game. And while queer has a century of being use pejoratively, it's also been adopted as a label by some lgbtq+ folks like myself (often as a way to be more politically forward than using the safer "LGBT" label). You'll find that there really isn't consensus around the use of queer as an identity -- some in the community hate it,…

Yeah. That term that should... probably not be used by folks outside the community, for the reasons you say. LGBT* is probably a safer and more inclusive alternative, so I don't see any real reason for folks outside the community to throw "queer" around. (Aside from perhaps discussions about the term itself, like this one)

That aside, the near-total reclamation of that slur by the LGBT community is such an interesting topic. I can't think of any other slurs that have been quite so fully reclaimed.

I would probably say that positive/neutral use of the term outweighs negative use like 10 to 1 at this point. Maybe 50 to 1.

Re: The Legend of GayBlade

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Post by devenblake »

sdsvsdgggggg wrote: post #96
devenblake wrote: post #66

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If it makes you feel any better, I'm a senior enrolled in a Maine high school right now and there's very little homophobia. In fact, a not-insignificant amount of the school is queer. Growing up I only ever heard "gay" used as an insult on-line. Times seem to have changed, and for the better!

"a not-insignificant amount of the school is queer" In what way - many queer students?

I'd say probably half of the people I associate with are in some way queer, and probably more than 10% of the student population. I'd just say the amount is significant outright but there's no way to really know for sure if my numbers are correct because nobody's polling for that.

Re: The Legend of GayBlade

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Post by devenblake »

eirini1 wrote: post #104
taurath wrote: post #85

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It was explicit for me as late as 2004! I am still rather shocked at the progress. I’ve also noticed a huge distinction between lgbt people of different generations, gen y is practically prudish comparatively. “Sex positive” is far less of a thing it seems.

I find it interesting that you mention this offhand because I've been very seriously noticing this type of prudishness in a lot of gen z and younger gen y people and its begining to manifest as old style homophobia

Gen Z is weird. Most young people are very accepting of LGBT peoples but stuff is starting to turn around back to homophobia now that transphobia is Hip And Cool again (thanks J.K. Rowling[0]), because many feminists are invalidating transgender women in the name of equal rights. Transphobia breeds homophobia. I worry sometimes what will happen if young people too become trans-exclusionary feminists but thankfully it's unlikely such a thing could occur. Young people are more open-minded now and discovering they're transgender themselves.

I should add that I'm not quite sure exactly how the trend of homophobia that you speak of is hitting younger people. I haven't noticed a shift backwards in real life or on-line. If you're referring to social media homophobia you should realize that "zoomer humor" is radically different from typical humor and many kids will sound like a deranged homophobes/racists/sexists until you realize that they themselves are gay/black/female and are making jokes at their own expense. That being said, ask before assuming they are or aren't joking.

[0] - I'm not sure about the legitimacy of Slate as a publication but a brief skim of this article makes me think it hits on everything relevant in the controversy (if you don't already know about it; it's semi-common knowledge nowadays): https://slate.com/human-interest/2020/06/jk-rowling-trans-me...

Re: The Legend of GayBlade

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Post by eru »

LocalH wrote: post #119
eru wrote: post #58

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> but like you said it was only 12 years ago they (unconstitutionally) voted in a ban on gay marriage Shouldn't that be as follows?: > but like you said it was only 12 years ago they voted in an (unconstitutional) ban on gay marriage Or was the vote itself deemed unconstitutional?

I know HN generally dislikes discussion about comment voting, but this comment should not have been downvoted. There’s a big difference between a statement saying they “unconstitutionally voted” and one saying they “voted in an unconstitutional measure”

Thanks! I've stopped caring about downvotes, especially for anything even vaguely related to politics.

Re: The Legend of GayBlade

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Post by sdsvsdgggggg »

devenblake wrote: post #126
sdsvsdgggggg wrote: post #96

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"a not-insignificant amount of the school is queer" In what way - many queer students?

I'd say probably half of the people I associate with are in some way queer, and probably more than 10% of the student population. I'd just say the amount is significant outright but there's no way to really know for sure if my numbers are correct because nobody's polling for that.

Interesting - how does that come about? Do such students flock to that school?
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