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Re: First Impressions of GitHub Codespaces

#11

Post by coldtea »

desmap wrote: post #3

> as a co-founder who is spending less time as a developer, and more time in meetings, writing emails, strategy papers, [...] this is just amazing [...] I’ve been spending a lot of time getting Windows Subsystem for Linux working lol, just ssh into a $3 vps as dev machine, real Ubuntu, real tmux/(n)vim, no setup, no hassle Edit: to be fair, Cloud9 was my entry drug into remote development bringing me to my setup abov…

>lol, just ssh into a $3 vps as dev machine, real Ubuntu, real tmux/(n)vim, no setup, no hassle

Infamous Dropbox comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224

Re: First Impressions of GitHub Codespaces

#12

Post by desmap »

josephg wrote: post #4
desmap wrote: post #3

> as a co-founder who is spending less time as a developer, and more time in meetings, writing emails, strategy papers, [...] this is just amazing [...] I’ve been spending a lot of time getting Windows Subsystem for Linux working lol, just ssh into a $3 vps as dev machine, real Ubuntu, real tmux/(n)vim, no setup, no hassle Edit: to be fair, Cloud9 was my entry drug into remote development bringing me to my setup abov…

I respect developers who make that work, but the development experience over SSH (vim, etc) is never as good as local development. You can't use vs code. You have to deal with lag delaying keystrokes. If you download a file and want to copy it into your dev environment you need to SCP it over. If you want to test a network service its nontrivial to point your local browser at the remote machine. If you sleep your lap…

> vs code

check coc.vim, uses vsc's native LSP, 99% of LSP's features

> delaying keystrokes

I have 16ms latency as my 60hz screen does and def less latency than a local vscode

just use a vps close to where you are

Re: First Impressions of GitHub Codespaces

#13

Post by onion2k »

desmap wrote: post #9
simonh wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>... no setup... Wow, that's a neat trick, how do you manage it?

? click "new vps" at your hoster (60sec), ssh to your new vps, git clone your tmux+nvim config from github (3s), you're ready to go

So it's "no setup" if you've already done all the work to make a portable setup that enables you to do work over ssh, but actually a ton of setup it you haven't.

Re: First Impressions of GitHub Codespaces

#14

Post by jan6 »

josephg wrote: post #4
desmap wrote: post #3

> as a co-founder who is spending less time as a developer, and more time in meetings, writing emails, strategy papers, [...] this is just amazing [...] I’ve been spending a lot of time getting Windows Subsystem for Linux working lol, just ssh into a $3 vps as dev machine, real Ubuntu, real tmux/(n)vim, no setup, no hassle Edit: to be fair, Cloud9 was my entry drug into remote development bringing me to my setup abov…

I respect developers who make that work, but the development experience over SSH (vim, etc) is never as good as local development. You can't use vs code. You have to deal with lag delaying keystrokes. If you download a file and want to copy it into your dev environment you need to SCP it over. If you want to test a network service its nontrivial to point your local browser at the remote machine. If you sleep your lap…

it IS trivial to port forward though, lol

Re: First Impressions of GitHub Codespaces

#15

Post by desmap »

coldtea wrote: post #11
desmap wrote: post #3

> as a co-founder who is spending less time as a developer, and more time in meetings, writing emails, strategy papers, [...] this is just amazing [...] I’ve been spending a lot of time getting Windows Subsystem for Linux working lol, just ssh into a $3 vps as dev machine, real Ubuntu, real tmux/(n)vim, no setup, no hassle Edit: to be fair, Cloud9 was my entry drug into remote development bringing me to my setup abov…

> lol, just ssh into a $3 vps as dev machine, real Ubuntu, real tmux/(n)vim, no setup, no hassle Infamous Dropbox comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9224

Yeah but in contrast the idea isn't new, Cloud9 did this ages ago. Github has the advantage that they own a huge dev focused platform. My point is if you deal a bit with code, even as a founder who writes strategy papers all day long, getting into tmux/vim isn't harder than a vscode-like interface, it pays off in the long run

Re: First Impressions of GitHub Codespaces

#16

Post by jacquesm »

That is a very badly chosen name. Codespaces was a company that went under because they were (or claimed to have been) hacked.

https://threatpost.com/hacker-puts-hosting-service-code-spac...

If you want to instill confidence this name is not the best start you could have picked.

Re: First Impressions of GitHub Codespaces

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Post by jacquesm »

desmap wrote: post #3

> as a co-founder who is spending less time as a developer, and more time in meetings, writing emails, strategy papers, [...] this is just amazing [...] I’ve been spending a lot of time getting Windows Subsystem for Linux working lol, just ssh into a $3 vps as dev machine, real Ubuntu, real tmux/(n)vim, no setup, no hassle Edit: to be fair, Cloud9 was my entry drug into remote development bringing me to my setup abov…

> I’ve been spending a lot of time getting Windows Subsystem for Linux working

I wouldn't spend a minute on it. Why bother with such an abomination when you can just use Linux the way it is intended to be used with less hassle and corporate superstructure that you most likely will never need.

Re: First Impressions of GitHub Codespaces

#18

Post by desmap »

onion2k wrote: post #13
desmap wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

? click "new vps" at your hoster (60sec), ssh to your new vps, git clone your tmux+nvim config from github (3s), you're ready to go

So it's "no setup" if you've already done all the work to make a portable setup that enables you to do work over ssh, but actually a ton of setup it you haven't.

shouldn't everyone who touched code on a server have some basic tmux/vim config, at least vim? it's no rocket science and doesn't have to be perfect

Re: First Impressions of GitHub Codespaces

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Post by onion2k »

desmap wrote: post #18
onion2k wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So it's "no setup" if you've already done all the work to make a portable setup that enables you to do work over ssh, but actually a ton of setup it you haven't.

shouldn't everyone who touched code on a server have some basic tmux/vim config, at least vim? it's no rocket science and doesn't have to be perfect

shouldn't everyone who touched code on a server have a basic tmux/vim config, at least vim?

No. Obviously not. There are millions of developers who don't work that way.

Re: First Impressions of GitHub Codespaces

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Post by robotmay »

desmap wrote: post #12
josephg wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I respect developers who make that work, but the development experience over SSH (vim, etc) is never as good as local development. You can't use vs code. You have to deal with lag delaying keystrokes. If you download a file and want to copy it into your dev environment you need to SCP it over. If you want to test a network service its nontrivial to point your local browser at the remote machine. If you sleep your lap…

> vs code check coc.vim, uses vsc's native LSP, 99% of LSP's features > delaying keystrokes I have 16ms latency as my 60hz screen does and def less latency than a local vscode just use a vps close to where you are

Or use Mosh, which eliminates the keystroke lag.
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