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FedEx feeder plane takes flight without pilot in test for Reliable Robotics

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Re: FedEx feeder plane takes flight without pilot in test for Reliable Robotics

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We're hiring! https://reliable.co/careers/ We built avionics, software, mechanisms and a comm system that enables automated operation of the plane from a remote command station. The remote operator has a GUI where they can command the aircraft. This article goes into a bit more detail about how it works: https://www.flightglobal.com/airframers/with-tesla-and-space...

I know a lot of the Reliable Robotics team from past projects, and they're an especially talented group of people. I would be working there now if I wasn't committed to my current project.

Drones delivering blood is still pretty badass too!

Re: FedEx feeder plane takes flight without pilot in test for Reliable Robotics

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> you can't exactly fly through a thunderstorm. You can't, but can a UAV? I'm curious how much more tolerant of bad weather a plane can be if there are no people inside. Are storms often strong enough to knock a plane out of the sky?

> Are storms often strong enough to knock a plane out of the sky? Simply put: yes. Not just any thunderstorm. All thunderstorms. All aircraft avoid thunderstorms. It's not a case of discomfort for humans inside it; it's about the risk to aircraft themselves. Thunderstorms contain severe updrafts and downdrafts and huge windshear between them. Aircraft cannot outclimb the downdrafts so cannot maintain altitude inside…

So how do hurricane hunters survive? Are hurricanes less, for lack of a better word, volatile?

Re: FedEx feeder plane takes flight without pilot in test for Reliable Robotics

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Frankly the tech for autonomous aviation has been around for a while now. I expect even strong crosswind landings will soon be better handled by a computer than a pilot. But then here’s the problem... Autonomous systems are great when things are going well, but at the end of the day they fare very poorly in edge cases sometimes with catastrophic results. When you’re driving a car you usually follow traffic rules and…

There are endless "what if" type scenarios where the answer boils down to simply detecting that this is one of those "what if" scenarios and then initiating the appropriate emergency procedure so it can be figured out properly. E.g. an emergency landing is always an option.

That's basically what pilots do as well. They spent most of their time assessing whether everything is OK via checklists and when it is somehow not OK there's not enough time to think and they reach for some emergency procedure instead. Mostly this never happens and there are whole sets of procedures that most pilots never even handle outside a simulator. E.g. landing a 737 with all engines out is a thing but obviously not something most 737 pilots would ever have to do in a real plane.

ATC obviously needs to be automated too. Automating routine interactions like exchanging altimeter settings, agreeing on what the current weather report is, what the active runway is, etc, would eliminate a lot of need for humans to talk to each other and pass the information on to dedicated computer systems on both ends (which is largely what pilots and controllers do). These systems could, and should, communicate directly. Any autonomous plane would have to be integrated this way. Situational awareness is currently bottle necked on the ability to pass information around, which happens to be something computers are good at.

A stop gap solution is putting a remote human pilot in between to enter information relayed by human atc. The main challenge is not just replacing the pilots but also ATC and standardizing the interactions between them.

Re: FedEx feeder plane takes flight without pilot in test for Reliable Robotics

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As a mid-thirties airline pilot, these articles make me wonder if I should re-skill now or ride it out.

It will take long for this to change the industry and there are a lot of planes that will be flown manually for decades to come. But obviously it doesn't hurt to have a plan B.

I actually expect that short term there will be an increased demand for pilots as smaller electrical airplanes start becoming more popular. Most of these will be single pilot operations doing short hops. If there are going to be lots of them, there will be a need for lots of pilots too. This too will ramp up over a few decades and eventually that whole business will be autonomous. But not short term.

Re: FedEx feeder plane takes flight without pilot in test for Reliable Robotics

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Takeoff and landing in rough conditions are tricky. Takeoff and landing when the weather is fine is already a solved problem. So is taxiing. https://newatlas.com/aircraft/airbus-attol-autonomous-airlin...

What's the advantages of a human compared to a computer for landing in rough weather? I would think it's a fairly logical problem. Wind is rotating the plane left, need to move the stick right. Wind is pulling the plane up, need to slow down or push the stick forward, etc. Need to make adjustments past safe levels or can't keep the plane level enough means it's too rough and the landing needs to be aborted. In my min…

Autoland systems and humans have different limitations. Humans are limited by visibility, because we look out the window and control the final parts of the landing by what we see. The autopilot is limited by wind restrictions, because the control input rates of an airport are limited.

That limitation is there because the sensor inputs aren't as good as you think. Looking out the window reacts much faster to wind gusts than receiving a radio signal to determine runway line-up.

If you want to have a computer execute a full autoland in varying and gusting crosswind you'll probably need it to use cameras and computer vision, but then it becomes limited by the same visibility issues humans have.

Re: FedEx feeder plane takes flight without pilot in test for Reliable Robotics

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Let’s say you have one virtual pilot for 10 planes. They won’t all be landing at the same time. So that pilot could guide each one down successively during inclement weather. I bet that would be way more fun than the bunches of sitting around that I imagine is currently part of the job.

[pilot here] There's a lot more to managing planes in bad weather than landing them: you can't exactly fly through a thunderstorm. Furthermore, sometimes go/no-go decisions have to be made a long way out. If it looks like there might be lots of thunderstorms near your destination, it's sometimes prudent to divert immediately rather than risk being near an airport with weather too bad to land AND low fuel. A great exa…

So, one experienced pilot will need to make this decision for all roboplanes.

Re: FedEx feeder plane takes flight without pilot in test for Reliable Robotics

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GPS gets you 99.9% of the way there. Runways are 100+ft wide. 10ft precision is fine.

Moreover, high end dual frequency GPS receivers like you'd surely put in a plane will typically have sub-meter precision.

Depending on the environment? GPS is still susceptible to signal reflection and LoS blocking.

Re: FedEx feeder plane takes flight without pilot in test for Reliable Robotics

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There are landing procedures where the pilot simply follows the machine instructions for a long while already. And it works perfectly well where it's available. Also, the take-off being easier, it's not conceivable that a machine couldn't do it. The reason there is no such machine today is exactly because it's easier, so pilots never need any help. Instead, the hard part isn't flying. it's all the things an airplane…

Pilots have to learn the schematics of electrical wiring behind the dashboards. They are expected to do problem-solving in case of malfunction, and this happens really often. The first time asymetric thrust was used to pilot a plane (ailerons and elevators didn’t work), it was done without being in the books. I wonder how this can work with computers, given they have very fee sensors compared to humans (« Do you smel…

If a plane is unmanned, then, in case of malfunction, just safely smash it into the ground.

Re: FedEx feeder plane takes flight without pilot in test for Reliable Robotics

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> To be fair, maintaining straight and level flight— i.e., not falling out of the sky— is the easiest part of flying an airplane. Sure. But if it does happen, the self-driving airplane needs to have a landing plan that isn't "fall on a population center." It's not insurmountable, but does need to be baked in.

> But if it does happen, the self-driving airplane needs to have a landing plan that isn't " FALL* on a population center."* Planes don't simply "fall" though, or more specifically it's not a limiting factor for autonomous flight because if they do Fall (due to total structural breakup) there is absolutely nothing a human pilot can do about it either. The more likely worst problem that is still within the realm of "a…

So your aircraft is stricken and finds the nearest local field (putting aside commercial desires to protect the cargo too). The aircraft data tells it the field is empty but actually it’s filled with cattle/machinery/a circus/state fair/Trump boat flotilla or otherwise.

Re: FedEx feeder plane takes flight without pilot in test for Reliable Robotics

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> they're going to be thinking about trying to survive and get to a place where they can land or at least ditch the plane survivably. I think you immediately have to question how often this has been the source of a disaster. To me, this seems highly unlikely to have been a problem, or to be a problem at all. Most accidents happen near airports. Most airports are in populated areas, because an airport far removed from…

> Most accidents happen near airports. Most airports are in populated areas Are they? I'd argue that they generally aren't... except that, over time, cities may grow until they are right next to the airport again. And then new airports get constructed - usually far away. > terms of freight Only for certain classes of freight. You distribution center needs ready access to transportation, it doesn't have to be next to…

> I'd argue that they generally aren't... except that, over time, cities may grow until they are right next to the airport again. And then new airports get constructed - usually far away.

That sounds backwards. Airports get built as close as possible to the cities they serve. For newer airports that ends up being some distance away because they need to avoid existing homes.

> You distribution center needs ready access to transportation, it doesn't have to be next to your consumers. We are not delivering packages to their destinations with planes, after all. Usually trucks do that.

The point of the plane is to save on trucking time though, so you want a distribution center fairly close to population centers.

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