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Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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> Wait until Trump supporters lock down traffic in LA all day because they legitimately believe the 'election was stolen'. Good for them? That's a valid protest. You don't have to stay out of the way in the free speech zone. (Not to say that separation is never appropriate, but not most of the time.)

"That's a valid protest." It's valid to protest things which are not true? So we can block traffic in LA to raise awareness that 'Aliens are coming'? No - absolutely not. Your arbitrary definition of what you consider to be a 'valid protest' is not relevant. You 100% do not have the right to block highways under any circumstances. Full stop. You can of course, block highways if you use force to do it, i.e. by amassin…

> It's valid to protest things which are not true?

If you set the bar at "your point has to be true before you can protest", then goodbye free speech. Because who exactly gets to decide what is true, and therefore is legitimate to protest over? The government? The media? That is an insanely dangerous power to give any institution, which is why the first amendment is purposefully interpreted to put the minimum number of restrictions on what is forbidden.

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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That sounds like a car problem, not a problem with cities built for foot traffic.

and how are you supposed to go to work on foot? neither the job nor the house market is flexible enough, especially now that airbnb 'disrupted' traditional renting in touristic cities.

Yah, bcs all new structures built post WW2 were built for cars and not for people people move at 3mph, not 60mph.

Rome could have invested in public transport instead of building highways. No one would be stuck in traffic. Instead, they used public space for cars. The old parts of the city though which are walkable work perfectly fine.

Venice does have great ferry service and traffic in the city is almost non-existent due to lack of cars.

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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Protests aren’t supposed to be convenient for the uninvolved. They’re literally designed to force you to pay attention.

I read that as designed for angst and animosity not influence, because the intention completely disparages the audience.

You might disagree with it as a tactic, but I'm not sure how you got to the idea that it's designed for animosity and not influence. Can you read the minds and intentions of the protestors? How would you know?

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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"It's okay, the minor negative effects of that are never going to be more important than the ability to protest effectively." No way. You do not have the right to arbitrarily lock down traffic for some arbitrary reason. Wait until Trump supporters lock down traffic in LA all day because they legitimately believe the 'election was stolen'. You can protest in the park or city square or somewhere where it doesn't stop a…

You definitely get to supress infrastructure when you have enough people willing to protest. I don't get it, are you trying to imply that protests should have no disruptive effect? That is a good recipe for complete political dysfunction. Civil disobedience is based upon disruption. It is our right as citizens. Besides, if an ambulance or doctor needed to go through a protest, the vast majority of the time just askin…

You have a vote. Use it.

You also have a voice. Use it.

You have no right to undemocratically wield power over others by physical force. You have no right to force others to suffer to compel them to your will which they did not choose.

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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post #466

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"That's a valid protest." It's valid to protest things which are not true? So we can block traffic in LA to raise awareness that 'Aliens are coming'? No - absolutely not. Your arbitrary definition of what you consider to be a 'valid protest' is not relevant. You 100% do not have the right to block highways under any circumstances. Full stop. You can of course, block highways if you use force to do it, i.e. by amassin…

I firmly believe that if you have enough people who think it’s important enough to block traffic to make a point — if their belief is that aliens are coming to destroy earth — they’re allowed to do that. Sure, it’s illegal, but they’ll do it anyways. I think it’s unlikely that so many people will come together to block traffic, but if it’s so important to them, then I’m all for it. They’ll definitely get to make thei…

Blocking traffic is not speech, it's physical harassment whose only outcome and whose intended mechanism of effect is to inject suffering into random innocent peoples' lives.

You have no right to do that any more than you have a right to randomly slap people on the street to make them listen to you.

Use your vote and your voice.

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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To safely "do anything with their kids" a car is very useful. Depending on the ages of the kids... Kids need to bring stuff. That could be hockey equipment, a drum set, or a clean playpen. Kids wander off if not contained. A kid may get off a subway at the wrong stop, lost in the crowd, along as the rest of the family continues on down the line. A kid may fall onto the tracks. Kids should be kept from licking public…

Sounds like some paranoid parenting that seems to be in style right now. In Tokyo kids take the subway by themselves as young as age 9. In denser cities the density helps in that other people help socialize/watch your kids and they can bike around to their friends place when they are older. As someone who grew up in a denser area, then moved to a sprawly suburb where you were dependent on your parents for getting you…

Kids aren't born at that age. It takes 9 years. How are the little ones supposed to travel?

At one time, mine were these ages: 8, 6, 4, 2, 2, 0

Doing that on the subway would be nuts.

I actually know somebody who, as a kid, got off the subway at the wrong stop. That really happens. The crowd seems to be leaving, the kid goes, and before the parents can react the subway is moving again.

Activities need not revolve around consumerism. Find a less-densely populated area, and there will be wild space like forests and streams. Backyards can be pretty big too. Consumerism is more of a city thing, since there is no backyard and no forest.

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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post #482

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and how are you supposed to go to work on foot? neither the job nor the house market is flexible enough, especially now that airbnb 'disrupted' traditional renting in touristic cities.

Yah, bcs all new structures built post WW2 were built for cars and not for people people move at 3mph, not 60mph. Rome could have invested in public transport instead of building highways. No one would be stuck in traffic. Instead, they used public space for cars. The old parts of the city though which are walkable work perfectly fine. Venice does have great ferry service and traffic in the city is almost non-existen…

so what's the alternative? build houses right on top of factories? pact stile mass transit with strict workerfactory allocation?

there's zero chance mass transit can accommodate people's needs, even if you somehow solve the shopping issue with local markets and fixed item prices, the jobhouse graph will always look like a fractal set of overlapping stars.

cars is one of the most important social equalizer of this and last century. it allows people from basically all social status to move themselves, their family and their belongings at any time in full autonomy, enabling them to find houses and jobs in the most economical and convenient places.

private cars win over public transit because it's a better product. the only way for public transit to compete is to mandate laws to make cars comparatively a worse product, which is fundamentally anticompetitive - once public transit become monopolistic, once the company owns a tract, they can abuse their position deciding pricing and timetables.

even in traffic, private cars offer a better experience: people are in their own space, under a roof from start to finish, with their preferred temperature and away from both obnoxious or influenced people.

forcing mass transit trough legislation will surely have some short term benefits, but also:

- more class divide between the richs, that will always be able to afford a car, and the poors who won't

- massive gentrification of well connected areas, while the poors get pushed out to where service is of less quality

- dependency of the poors to expensive third party services on any occasion they need to move themselves or their goods across a non serviced destination. rentals is not an option: rentals need a credit card, and guess who don't own one?

- dependency on public transit times. have an unusual work shift or need to visit parents? get prepared to wait in the open under the cold or rain. need to get your child out of school in a down hour because he's suddenly ill? too bad, transit only gives peak service at peak hours.

of course there's situation where mass transit gets convenient, like large cities where a significant percentage of the population shares the same source/destination points, at which point people will use it naturally on their own.

opposing private transit is going to destroy an important achievement of modern society, the car has been a great economical equalizer and still is. market, after all, need customer flexibility not to be captured. pollution is something to be solved with more efficient cars and better technology all around.

it'd be like discovering tomorrow that soap pollutes: some will want to force everyone to smell, some will create a better soap.

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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OECDs countries use the same stats everywhere USA ranks 34th on 36 countries > GDP is important. It's what pays for government services It depends on what you buy with it and how much of it goes back to society in the form of government services for the public For rich countries in the G20 it shouldn't matter as much as how you redistribute it I'll repeat myself, despite the highest GDP in the World USA can't even pa…

OECDs countries use the same stats everywhere No they don't. They collect the same stats, but they aren't necessarily comparable.

even if it was true, it's still the 34th position over 36 countries

The richest country in the World is 34th

I think you have a problem there, no matter how much you try to find excuses for it

> Metodology Membership in the OECD was used as a proxy for similar nations to the U.S. The group was narrowed to OECD members with 50 years of high-quality data, minus the U.S. It includes: Australia, Austria, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland and the United Kingdom.

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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I read that as designed for angst and animosity not influence, because the intention completely disparages the audience.

You might disagree with it as a tactic, but I'm not sure how you got to the idea that it's designed for animosity and not influence. Can you read the minds and intentions of the protestors? How would you know?

As the delayed driver, the audience, I know absolutely how I would feel. This is the perception.

Re: Interchange in Houston is the same size as an entire city center in Italy

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post #352

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Quite interestingly, the social aspects of urban sprawl was completely left out when designing post WW2 cities. When people think about beautiful cities, they would mention Venice or Paris or Rome. All these cities were built for 'foot traffic' which still works perfectly fine nowadays. In those cities, the elderly and children do have an environment to move around by themselves and socialize freely. When it comes to…

> still works perfectly fine nowadays. Rome is all but working perfectly fine, with commuter traffic locked almost daily by the tiniest fender bender happening on the highway around it Venice is likewise a mess, situation was so bas they built an highway to go around the existing highway that corrected it to the nearby areas, and the lack of easy mobility in the city center is fuelling a severe living cost inflation

Many/most flats in those cute old European cities have windows directly over a street. You can have cars making noise and pollution literally within 5-10 meters of your window. This is bad for physical and mental health.

Soviet-style housing planning is a good middle ground. There, most flats can enjoy silence (you only hear cars that belong to your neighbors and no passer-bys) and still the districts are planned for walkability and public transport.

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