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Re: An Update About Changes to Facebook’s Services in Australia

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If Facebook really wanted to fight the government it could unleash it's democracy crippling social network to hurt this toxic government we have here in Aus. Wink wink Zuck. But seriously this is just regulatory capture from News Ltd. Our Government works for them. Corruption is becoming a real and visible problem in Australia these days.

Because that worked so well in the US?

Yeah I know, I'm just wishing bad things on our current government who really don't live up to the word 'liberal'.

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This may not kill the large newspapers, but surely it will destroy the local newspapers. When does a tech blog become news? Can you even share anything on the internet through Facebook?

News Corp (who lobbied to get this bill created) already did a lot of that this year [1] - over the last few decades, they had bought up most of the newspapers in regional Australia, and then ended up deciding they were unviable and shuttered 125 of them in May this year.

They're keeping some kind of digital version but let go basically all the local reporters, photographers, etc. and closed all the local offices, and I think just run all the remaining online versions out of just a handful of locations now.

1. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-05-28/news-corp-makes-regio...

Re: An Update About Changes to Facebook’s Services in Australia

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I am no fan of this right wing government, which is letting Fake News Corp write it’s media policy, but Facebook does not have an inherent right to other people’s content.

Rather than redistributing ad dollars away from big tech, this is likely to force people consuming news to go directly to the source. Either that or it will further dumb down our discourse (though Fake News Corp is doing a pretty good job of that anyway). Time will tell.

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I don’t like FB as a company. However I have to admit, they are correct that news organizations benefit the most from this relationship. Why doesn’t google do the same thing? Don’t index news sites. Googles response seemed less effective than FB’s.

Google is a monopoly. Facebook is not. If google pushes their weight around they get targeted for anti competitive behavior.

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Australian government and more specifically Rod sims, the chair of ACCC should get some counselling. Really good counselling. They clearly don't understand how publishing works and have a biased understanding of who is benefitting from this relationship. However, the entire Australian media has been nothing but puppets controlled by murdoch. The one true less biased source is ABC which has been muddied by constant fe…

And the ABC/SBS will not benefit from payments if this goes through. Nor will independents. Only the largest for-profit companies will. The gap ever widens.

I guess the level of science and technological literacy in our government here proves we are truly a representative democracy.

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Australian government and more specifically Rod sims, the chair of ACCC should get some counselling. Really good counselling. They clearly don't understand how publishing works and have a biased understanding of who is benefitting from this relationship. However, the entire Australian media has been nothing but puppets controlled by murdoch. The one true less biased source is ABC which has been muddied by constant fe…

Why wouldn't the Australian government just make another law making it illegal for Facebook to block sharing of news on Facebook. If you throw enough laws at something, surely you'll get the desired outcome eventually (wealth redistribution from Facebook => struggling newspapers)?

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As I've mentioned before you only need to look at the fact that public and smaller news organisations e.g. ABC, SBS are not compensated to get an idea of the intention of this policy. It's purely to prop up News Corp which is struggling (16% loss in 2020 revenue) because of weak newspaper sales and Foxtel bleeding customers to Netflix, Disney etc. And unfortunately just like in UK and US whenever Rupert Murdoch says…

News Corp is impressive I think they are the only company that can actually make Facebook look sympathetic.

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This may not kill the large newspapers, but surely it will destroy the local newspapers. When does a tech blog become news? Can you even share anything on the internet through Facebook?

>Instead, we are left with a choice of either removing news entirely or accepting a system that lets publishers charge us for as much content as they want at a price with no clear limits. Tbh I think FB's comment here is too binary. It seems to me they're implying that news needs to either be free, or they will get charged "unlimited amount". I'm sure other industries have faced a similar issue (e.g. music?) and have…

How exactly are Facebook and Google 'using' news content though? What we're talking about here is a link - a headline, maybe a sentence or two and a thumbnail image... The people pushing this bill are trying to make similar comparisons as you, to things like music, but there's no sense in which Google or Facebook are using news content in the way Spotify uses music content, for instance.

If you look at the bill, bits of it are actually fairly carefully designed to work around the inconvenient truth that they aren't really directly profiting, and it actually makes other things (like whether the amount the publishers are asking for would be too damaging to Google/Facebook's finances) as big a consideration (or more!) than what the actual benefit Google/Facebook are getting!

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