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FedEx feeder plane takes flight without pilot in test for Reliable Robotics

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Re: FedEx feeder plane takes flight without pilot in test for Reliable Robotics

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If the system is designed right, they could be even safer than piloted planes in the case of an emergency. Currently, if a pilot is flying and, say, the engines stop and can't be restarted, they're going to be thinking about trying to survive and get to a place where they can land or at least ditch the plane survivably. An autonomous system doesn't have to do that - if it decides that the situation is unrecoverable,…

There is at least one autonomous system on the market today that can do just that - find the nearest airport and land. https://www.garmin.com/en-US/autonomi/

That's pretty incredible for those small planes that I doubt have all the sensors jets do

Re: FedEx feeder plane takes flight without pilot in test for Reliable Robotics

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Autonomous flight is a great example of the 80/20 rule. We've basically had "self flying" airplanes for decades, but to get them to 100% autonomous we need to spend all of the extra engineering effort into covering the remaining edge-cases + landing.

this statement belies a lack of understanding of just how long autoland has existed. Guess which decade autoland was invented... and what decade commercial service flights began making fully autonomous landings...

(you're probably wrong)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoland#Civil_aviation

It is not, on the whole, that difficult a problem to actually land an aircraft autonomously. Now that planes can autonomously fly the rest of the route too, it makes sense to just take the pilot out of the cockpit.

Re: FedEx feeder plane takes flight without pilot in test for Reliable Robotics

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If FedEx and Amazon set up private airports dedicated to these machines, only put cargo in them, and make their flight routes distinct from other aircraft, I imagine this could be up and running faster than people think. Edge cases shouldn’t result in loss of life, so getting through regulations and insuring should be much easier than other situations.

If the system is designed right, they could be even safer than piloted planes in the case of an emergency. Currently, if a pilot is flying and, say, the engines stop and can't be restarted, they're going to be thinking about trying to survive and get to a place where they can land or at least ditch the plane survivably. An autonomous system doesn't have to do that - if it decides that the situation is unrecoverable,…

This is a great take.

The more we reduce the human survival instinct around these jobs, the better we'll all be.

Humans do dumb shit when we're flooded with chemicals, both internal and external.

Re: FedEx feeder plane takes flight without pilot in test for Reliable Robotics

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post #91

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There is at least one autonomous system on the market today that can do just that - find the nearest airport and land. https://www.garmin.com/en-US/autonomi/

That's pretty incredible for those small planes that I doubt have all the sensors jets do

GPS gets you 99.9% of the way there. Runways are 100+ft wide. 10ft precision is fine.

Re: FedEx feeder plane takes flight without pilot in test for Reliable Robotics

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No remote positions?

Some positions require on-site but we're open to remote and have quite a few remote folks already.

Which positions can be remote? All the positions on the website say they are located in Mountain View.

Re: FedEx feeder plane takes flight without pilot in test for Reliable Robotics

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No remote positions?

Some positions require on-site but we're open to remote and have quite a few remote folks already.

I'd like to ask a question that I'm curious about and I'm sure some others are too:

What does it take to be a remote UAV pilot in a civilian setting? What kind of training or experience are looked for or are required?

I'm sure there are many armchair pilots and RC enthusiasts who have similar questions.

Re: FedEx feeder plane takes flight without pilot in test for Reliable Robotics

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Takeoff and landing in rough conditions are tricky. Takeoff and landing when the weather is fine is already a solved problem. So is taxiing. https://newatlas.com/aircraft/airbus-attol-autonomous-airlin...

What's the advantages of a human compared to a computer for landing in rough weather? I would think it's a fairly logical problem. Wind is rotating the plane left, need to move the stick right. Wind is pulling the plane up, need to slow down or push the stick forward, etc. Need to make adjustments past safe levels or can't keep the plane level enough means it's too rough and the landing needs to be aborted. In my min…

You would think we wouldn’t have an endless string of 0-day exploits for operating systems as well but here we are, for the last 25 years. It should be a simple and logical problem as well.

Re: FedEx feeder plane takes flight without pilot in test for Reliable Robotics

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post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the system is designed right, they could be even safer than piloted planes in the case of an emergency. Currently, if a pilot is flying and, say, the engines stop and can't be restarted, they're going to be thinking about trying to survive and get to a place where they can land or at least ditch the plane survivably. An autonomous system doesn't have to do that - if it decides that the situation is unrecoverable,…

This is a great take. The more we reduce the human survival instinct around these jobs, the better we'll all be. Humans do dumb shit when we're flooded with chemicals, both internal and external.

Computers do some pretty "dumb shit" when they're flooded with data and running bad algorithms. I mean 737MAX didn't need a pilot error in order to do something critically bad.

Re: FedEx feeder plane takes flight without pilot in test for Reliable Robotics

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To be fair, maintaining straight and level flight— i.e., not falling out of the sky— is the easiest part of flying an airplane. Computers have been good at that for a while; in fact, that’s how airline flights are controlled these days during basically all of cruise flight (by autopilot). Takeoff and landing are the tricky parts. (I say this as someone who’s firmly on the skeptical side of the spectrum regarding the…

> To be fair, maintaining straight and level flight— i.e., not falling out of the sky— is the easiest part of flying an airplane. Sure. But if it does happen, the self-driving airplane needs to have a landing plan that isn't "fall on a population center." It's not insurmountable, but does need to be baked in.

>But if it does happen, the self-driving airplane needs to have a landing plan that isn't "FALL* on a population center."*

Planes don't simply "fall" though, or more specifically it's not a limiting factor for autonomous flight because if they do Fall (due to total structural breakup) there is absolutely nothing a human pilot can do about it either. The more likely worst problem that is still within the realm of "anything can be done about it" is total engine failure (and with it the potential for failure of systems that depend upon engine power as well). Commercial jet aircraft tend to have glide ratios (how far they can go horizontally for each unit they drop vertically) of high single digits to low teens, though some go farther (the 747 for example is 17:1). So from 35000' say they'll typically be able to travel at least 60-110 miles (with some bonus for their initial velocity).

The power problem has also needed to be considered long since due to all the fly-by-wire systems, though for an autonomous cargo aircraft this may be another area worth a second look since some weight savings from normal life support might be well spent on additional redundancy.

As other posters have pointed out a fully autonomous aircraft just needs to aim for the most sparsely populated area of land or body of water. No need to worry about human life on the aircraft dramatically opens up potential ok ground areas. So a failure at cruising altitude that a piloted aircraft might survive anyway should leave a sizeable radius for an unpiloted aircraft to find a ditch point with low risk to human life. So ultimately while yeah sure, of course this should all be formalized, it shouldn't be a real blocker for this application.

Re: FedEx feeder plane takes flight without pilot in test for Reliable Robotics

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Along these lines, would an autopilot ever think of landing in the Hudson? (Particularly if it hadn't been done before?)

Devil's advocate: Would a human pilot be skilled and lucky enough to pull this off a second time?

Yes. The aviation system produced the human pilot who was able to transfer their skills and experience from all previous landings to this new unusual one. I do believe another equally as well trained pilot would have been able to pull it off as well. What would a computer program have done?
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